Asshole of the Year-Rand Paul-Ties to White Nationalists

[Joe234]

Asshole of the Year-Rand Paul-Ties to White Nationalists
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[bipolarbear1968]

The only thing remotely interesting about the link you posted was the Wowzio Live Activity Feed

[Roo]

lol yeah that is pretty cool. The live feed thing. Seattle? snuson.com? what the hell?

[Slydel]

Well, I agree with some of the stuff he is purported as saying:

"Health care should be purchased just like cellphones or contact lenses."
"President Obama has apologized for both America's greatness and the Industrial Revolution."
"Recruiting high school students for military service is like Nazi Germany."
"If the national debt gets bad enough, the American people could end up voting a person like Adolf Hitler into office."

I don't know about the other quotes, a little scary if they are true. We, as U.S Citizens, are not far away from where Greece is right now. It has been stated on several financial-based websites that our debt (our governments debt) is out of control. What happens when U.S. treasury notes are downgraded to AA instead of triple AAA? This is a very real possibility. I am not taking this from some wacko website, but have read it through finance.yahoo.com and www.cnbc.com. It is estimated that this might happen in two to five years. I sold all of my stock in August 2007, when the DOW was at 13500. I think that I am well informed. So far it has worked out in my favor. I hope the above does not happen. It would be bad for all of us, but can we stop it and our industrial war machine?

[CoderGuy]

lol yeah that is pretty cool. The live feed thing. Seattle? snuson.com? what the hell?

Yeah, talk about tracking!

[Joe234]

The only thing remotely interesting about the link you posted was the Wowzio Live Activity Feed

Wow! really. I did not notice. It's quite interesting. I see viewers to my post from
two forums.

I thought the Rand Paul piece would bring folks out of the woodwork.


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[Mohave]

A scummy, sleazy, smear.

...would bring folks out of the woodwork.

Or slithering out from under rocks, such as the site you linked to as a "source."

[sgreger1]

Cummon, you'll vote for a president with ties to a black nationalist group (the racist church he attended for 20 years) but worry about what some congressman may have ties to? How about "hypocrite of the year" lol.

Either way, here's my take on Rand Paul: The democrats hate him, the neocons hate him= He must be doing something right.

I don't know enough about him to make comment either way at this point, but I really do like how both sides hate him.

I mean face it, a republican just got nominated for Obama's seat in Hawaii, Kennedy's seat got scooped up by a republican, kentucky is next when Rand Paul wins it, I mean cummon guys you can slander them in blogs all you want but it's not gonna change the fact people are pissed. They gave democrats a chance to not be bush and they failed miserably. (Ironically, the only choice is to vote for Bush's party again, OYE! Our two party system is a shame)
And now 63% of Americans support a repeal of Obamacare and 72% nationwide SUPPORT AZ immigration law? Gonna be a bloodbath in November.



Edit: I just checked out your link to your ultra biased "New york leftist" blog, I don't have time to go point by point and break it down but frankly at this point things have gotten so bad that I would sooner vote for a racist than a criminal, corrupt , mob boss style, lying, bought-and-sold scummsucking politician. At least the racist is upfront in his arrogance and prejudice, it's the ones who pretend to be the savior of the people that I worry about nowadays. (For reference, see President Bush who would "save" us from terrorist or President Obama who would "save us" from the economic depression)


Edit 2: Don't even make me compile a list of stupid ass quotes taken out of context that Obama has said in the past, it'll make Rand Paul look like a saint.

[PipenSnus]

The problem I have with Rand Paul is that he's given libertarianism a big black eye with his comments. Yes, most libertarians in the US are conservative, but the mainstream liberals are painting all libertarians as right-wing nutcases because of Dr. Paul. Libertarianism has both conservative and progressive wings. Although we progressive libertarians disagree strongly with Dr. Paul's comments about civil rights, and probably with many more of his more radical right-wing social policy ideas, we agree wholeheartedly with him that government should have minimal interference in the lives of citizens. We just disagree on where to draw the line when it comes to limiting government.

[sgreger1]

The problem I have with Rand Paul is that he's given libertarianism a big black eye with his comments. Yes, most libertarians in the US are conservative, but the mainstream liberals are painting all libertarians as right-wing nutcases because of Dr. Paul. Libertarianism has both conservative and progressive wings. Although we progressive libertarians disagree strongly with Dr. Paul's comments about civil rights, and probably with many more of his more radical right-wing social policy ideas, we agree wholeheartedly with him that government should have minimal interference in the lives of citizens. We just disagree on where to draw the line when it comes to limiting government.

THIS THIS THIS exactly. You will never agree with 100% of anyones views on anything, at this point i'm just planning on voting for whoever will bring the government back down to sustainable size and handle the deficit/economy. I don't agree with HOW much he wants gov "off his lawn" but his big thing is fiscal responsibility and small government, so he would have my vote, even though I don't agree with a lot of his other stuff.

Rand Paul does not support war with Iran, he does not support foreign aid to places like Israel, he believes in national sovereignty etc, He's got 8 out of 10 on my list and the dems/reps hate him so I like him.

[sgreger1]

Joe, my issue with people like you is the complete hypocrisy you exhibit in your views:

Rand Paul chills with known racists = not cool
Obama chills with known racists for 20 years = that's cool

Az law requires everyone to prove they're citizens before entering the state = nazi/racist/not cool
Obama requires every student at the school he will be presenting at to prove they are a citizen before getting close to him(papers please)= totally cool

See what I mean dude? Put it in context man, keep it consistent at least.




And whoever wrote this blog did absolutely minimal research. This looks like those quickly thrown together tparty spam mails I always get in my inbox, like wtf is this:

"Perhaps Rand Paul regards the KKK's murder of three civil rights workers in Philadelphia, Mississippi merely boorish behavior. Ronald Reagan announced his first presidential campaign in Philadelphia, Mississippi. Wink, wink." <--- WTF DOES IT MEAN?

I mean the writer did no research and is making completely unsubstantiated claims based on completely out of text quotes.


Q: Do you like apple pie"
A: No, but I do LOVE apple pie

This blog would quote that as:

Q: Do you like apple pie?
A: No <---- See he hates apple pie, he's unamerican!!!!!

Absolute trash, if you took Rush Limbaughs webpage, Sorcha Fall, Rense.com and put them all together you couldn't come up with a less factual piece of garbage trash than what is contained in this blog.

[justintempler]

I consider myself a libertarian and a fan of Ayn Rand.
Rand Paul is an embarrassment to both.

OTOH Misha Trotsky (New York Leftist) has shown she has learned a thing ot two from Glenn Beck on the art of smearing.
I wonder if she has her own chalkboard.
A think she qualifies as a left wing nut.

[sgreger1]

I consider myself a libertarian and a fan of Ayn Rand.
Rand Paul is an embarrassment to both.

OTOH Misha Trotsky (New York Leftist) has shown she has learned a thing ot two from Glenn Beck on the art of smearing.
I wonder if she has her own chalkboard.
A think she qualifies as a left wing nut.

Justin, you know to ever win as a libertarian you must claim to like Ayn Rand. Ayn Rand was much deeper than Atlas Shrugged and I think a lot of libertarians would not agree with everything she says if they knew more about her. You and me show exactly how broad a definition libertarianism has. You have people that are left leaning (or progressive) libertarians and right-leaning libertarians like myself. Libertarian is a very misunderstood term and is often time demonized because people latch onto one libertarian who believes a certain way and catagorizes ALL libertarians that way.



Tell me if you would vote for this person:

Opposes the USA PATRIOT Act, and opposes warrentless searches and breach of individual privacy authorized by the legislation.

Longtime opponent of the bank and auto bailouts, believes failed businesses should be allowed to fail instead of propped up by the federal government.

Opposes the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 and the Federal Reserve's control of the nations money supply and interest rates.

Wants to allow the free market to regulate interest rates, and supports congresses constitutional role of controlling the money supply.

Endorses H.R. 1207, the Federal Reserve Transparency Act, a bill introduced by Congressman Ron Paul mandating an audit of the Federal Reserve.

Opposes inflation and supports "restoring the value of the dollar that has devalued by approximately 95% since the Federal Reserve's inception in 1913"

Supports allowing the free market to compete and choose the best forms of energy to use.

Opposes subsidizing energy companies, and would support allowing tax breaks for companies that produce alternative energy such as wind, solar, or geothermal.

Believes that subsidizing the energy industry will only add incentive for companies to lobby the federal government.

Opposes federal government involvement in health care. Believes that government has driven up the cost of healthcare and causes the quality and coverage to decrease.

Support a free market approach to health care including tax deductions for for medical expenses. Opposes federal regulations discouraging businesses from providing coverage. Supports Health Savings Accounts (HSAs) and its availability to all Americans.

Does not support amnesty. Believes the United States subsidizes illegal immigration through taxpayer funded welfare and medical care. Has proposed securing the border by an underground electric fence and helicopter stations.

Supports the legalization of medical marijuana.

Believes national defense is the most important role of government. Supports eliminating issuance of visas to people from terrorist or rogue nations.

Supports trying terrorists in military tribunals. Believes in a responsible and constitutional foreign policy and would close unnecessary military bases.

Opposes same-sex marriage, but believes the issue should be left to the states to decide.

Supports the Second Amendment to the United States Constitution and would oppose all gun control legislation.

(That is from Rand Paul's Wikipedia page)

[justintempler]

Tell me if you would vote for this person:

No way Jose, he's all over the map and contradicts himself. He's got landmines all over the place.

Wow, He opposes inflatation (DUH) and wants the value of the dollar restored (DUH) Does he have a time machine so we can go back to 1913 and kill the Fed?
He opposes subsidizing energy companies but wants to give tax breaks?...
He opposes governemnet involvement in health care but he wants to give people tax breaks?
Ho opposes same sex marraige? ... are only straight people libertarians?
He opposes all gun control legislation?... so crazy people, felons and gangs can have guns too?


My introduction to Libertarianism:
http://www.amazon.com/Restoring-Amer.../dp/0068596022
I read that book when it can out in 1979.

[sgreger1]

No way Jose, he's all over the map and contradicts himself. He's got landmines all over the place.

Wow, He opposes inflatation (DUH) and wants the value of the dollar restored (DUH) Does he have a time machine so we can go back to 1913 and kill the Fed?
He opposes subsidizing energy companies but wants to give tax breaks?...
He opposes governemnet involvement in health care but he wants to give people tax breaks?
Ho opposes same sex marraige? ... are only straight people libertarians?
He opposes all gun control legislation?... so crazy people, felons and gangs can have guns too?


My introduction to Libertarianism:
http://www.amazon.com/Restoring-Amer.../dp/0068596022
I read that book when it can out in 1979.

I'd like to start by saying I really don't know much about him, all I know is what ive read today, but to clarify your questions:


"Wow, He opposes inflatation (DUH) and wants the value of the dollar restored (DUH) Does he have a time machine so we can go back to 1913 and kill the Fed?"

- No, he is just noting that the federal reserve is the cause for many of our economies problems. He doesn't want to go back in time and eliminate them, but rather stop them today so that in the future this does not continue to happen.

"He opposes subsidizing energy companies but wants to give tax breaks?..."

-Yes, he opposes giving free money to a certain industry (which makes them more inclined to lobby for more money), but instead wants to give tax breaks to any company of any size that invests in renewable energy sources. This means that it won't just be corporate fatcats taking free handouts.

"He opposes governemnet involvement in health care but he wants to give people tax breaks?"

- He doesn't want federal involvement as in he doesn't want it being run by the feds (from what I gather) as in a single payer system. He instead wants some form of tax breaks to offset the cost of purchasing healthcare as opposed to the government taking it over and issuing it to you or just forcing you to buy it with no tax break. (I don't really agree with him on this one)

"Ho opposes same sex marraige? ... are only straight people libertarians?"

- He believes the same as me. I as an individual, do not support same sex marriage or abortion, however, I believe the federal government should have no say in that and it should be up to the states to make that decision. Hes not saying only straight people are libertarians, he is saying that while he doesn't necessarily agree with SSM's, he thinks it should be the states choice to make their own laws. (as in, despite his own prejudices, he thinks it's not the fed's job to decide one way or another)

On a side note, marriage is a religious concept that was created by the church and therefore the government should have no say in it. If you find a religion or church who will mary you, than that's up to you and the gov should have no say in what two consenting adults do (unless it infringes on the rights of others or violates the law)

"He opposes all gun control legislation?... so crazy people, felons and gangs can have guns too?"

-This is where me and the libertarians often times break apart from each other. I support law abiding citizens being able to obtain just about any firearm they want, but gun control such as keeping felons, handicaped people, violators of the brady law etc from obtaining firearms is just common sense. I don't buy the "everyone should have guns no matter what" argument, even though the constitution seems to be worded that way. (In his defense, I don't know if he means "all" gun control laws. If he thinks there should be NO gun control than he's an idiot for thinking that and i'd like to introduce him to some of the morons ive met in my travels.


Seems like a cool book, i'll have to put that on my list.