Oh Man! 1,200 national guard deployed to border NOT to controll illegal immegration

[sgreger1]

Turns out those troops won’t be used to stop the flow of illegal aliens.

US National Guard troops being sent to the Mexican border will be used to stem the flow of guns and drugs across the frontier and not to enforce US immigration laws, the State Department said Wednesday.

The clarification came after the Mexican government urged Washington not to use the additional troops to go after illegal immigrants.

President Barack Obama on Tuesday authorized the deployment of up to 1,200 additional troops to border areas but State Department spokesman Philip Crowley told reporters, “It’s not about immigration.”

He said the move was “fully consistent with our efforts to do our part to stem, you know, violence, to interdict the flow of dangerous people and dangerous goods — drugs, guns, people.”

He said the extra troops would be used to free up civilians engaged in support functions so that law enforcement personnel can be increased along the 2,000-mile-long (3,200 kilometer) border.

Felipe Calderon must have photos of Barack Obama in compromising positions with farm animals. It’s the only possible answer.


I was so stoked to see Obama being pressured into actually enforcing the immegration laws by sending troops to our border, but as always it's not what it seems, they won't be there to stop illegal immegration at all.

[sgreger1]

AZ law is catching on, now Massachusettes just passed a tough new anti-illegal law:

With one lawmaker citing President Lincoln’s respect for the rule of law, the Massachusetts Senate passed a far-reaching crackdown this afternoon on illegal immigrants and those who would hire them, going further, senators said, than any immigration bill proposed over the past five years.

The measure, which passed on a 28-10 vote as an amendment to the budget, would bar the state from doing business with any company found to break federal laws barring illegal immigrant hiring. It would also toughen penalties for creating or using fake identification documents, and explicitly deny in-state college tuition for illegal immigrants. <---THIS!




The states are waking up slowly. All the fringe protestors from the pro-illegal crowd are nothing compared to the vast majority of Americans that demand this issue be addressed.

[tom502]

They have real border patrol in the DPRK.

[danielan]

Turns out those troops won’t be used to stop the flow of illegal aliens.

That's pretty normal as I understand. We, as Americans, tend to not like our military enforcing the laws. This is kind of a slippery slope.

So, the National Guard will do support, i.e. surveillance, intelligence, processing, etc.

While the law enforcement people just go gather people up - much more effectively. It works pretty well.

[sgreger1]

That's pretty normal as I understand. We, as Americans, tend to not like our military enforcing the laws. This is kind of a slippery slope.

So, the National Guard will do support, i.e. surveillance, intelligence, processing, etc.

While the law enforcement people just go gather people up - much more effectively. It works pretty well.

I think it falls well under their jurisdiction:

Constitution, Article IV, section 4. ”… The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; …”

Sounds like the states using the national guard to protect against invasion is well within the limits. And with the amount of people forcing themselves on us in the millions, I submit that this constitutes an invasion. (Also since many that come over openly say they are invading and want to overthrow our government to take back the land for their own country)

[truthwolf1]

I think the Arizona law should be enacted in all the states. This should be a straight up question for all politicians like their stance on taxes, abortion or gay marriage. Time to make it a yes or no answer. A solid 2010 issue which 65%-70% of the country could get behind.

Will you support enacting a similar immigration law like Arizonas in your in your state? if not vote them out.

[danielan]

I think it falls well under their jurisdiction

I don't necessarily disagree, but the military enforcing laws is on a path we don't want to go down in normal situations. And, bad as it is, illegal immigration from Mexico is a normal situation. (and I admit this is part of the problem).

But until we NEED them to be doing LE work, it's probably better to leave them in support roles.

Also, there is a training issue. While this is changing, because we keep thrusting them into this role, the military is not traditionally particularly suited for law enforcement.

[truthwolf1]

I don't necessarily disagree, but the military enforcing laws is on a path we don't want to go down in normal situations. And, bad as it is, illegal immigration from Mexico is a normal situation. (and I admit this is part of the problem).

But until we NEED them to be doing LE work, it's probably better to leave them in support roles.

Also, there is a training issue. While this is changing, because we keep thrusting them into this role, the military is not traditionally particularly suited for law enforcement.

All they have to do is stand there with binoculars or sit in a tower with sniper rifle and nobody is going to even go near them.

[sgreger1]

I don't necessarily disagree, but the military enforcing laws is on a path we don't want to go down in normal situations. And, bad as it is, illegal immigration from Mexico is a normal situation. (and I admit this is part of the problem).

But until we NEED them to be doing LE work, it's probably better to leave them in support roles.

Also, there is a training issue. While this is changing, because we keep thrusting them into this role, the military is not traditionally particularly suited for law enforcement.

I agree that I don't want the army handling LE duties, but I kind of think enforcing an active assault on our borders is definately something that falls more under the states militia/national guard than cops to be honest. At least ON the actual border. I don't want them in the streets setting up checkpoints, but being ON the border stopping the invasion seems appropriate to me.

The problem is that the police are not trained to handle this issue, police can pull people over and detain people etc, but they aren't well equipped to combat armed thugs with military grade weapons blasting their way through the border, that is something the national guard is more equipped for.

[tom502]

I see protecting the border as more then mere "law enforcement".

[danielan]

I see protecting the border as more then mere "law enforcement".

Yeah, but it's less then an armed invasion for IMO, 99% of the people crossing.

More like economic refugees.

I want it controlled, but as long as it is peaceful, we don't need to shoot them. We just need to send them home to follow the proper process.

[tom502]

We could put them in those FEMA gulags, oh wait, those are for American citizens.

[danielan]

we could put them in those fema gulags, oh wait, those are for american citizens.

lol

[sgreger1]

Yeah, but it's less then an armed invasion for IMO, 99% of the people crossing.

More like economic refugees.

I want it controlled, but as long as it is peaceful, we don't need to shoot them. We just need to send them home to follow the proper process.

The problem is that it's not peacefull. They are armed coyotes smuggling people, and the drug traffickers obviousely are extremely well armed and willing to shoot cops. If it were just people crossing over than i'd say leave it up to law enforcement, but these are armed forces willing to shoot cops so it gets into that grey area.

[danielan]

The problem is that it's not peacefull. They are armed coyotes smuggling people, and the drug traffickers obviousely are extremely well armed and willing to shoot cops. If it were just people crossing over than i'd say leave it up to law enforcement, but these are armed forces willing to shoot cops so it gets into that grey area.

I think it is still mostly peaceful.

While the number of cops and border patrol that should be shot is certainly zero, I think the actual number of them being shot is pretty small.