Is the Impeachment of Barack Obama Moving Forward?

[bsd777]

Yeah I edited my previous post. Sweet avatar! That's a really good one.

Thank you. I hope it brings much joy.

[sgreger1]

Can't we all just get along?

[bsd777]

That's just wrong. But I'm strangely intrigued, trying to decipher the artists point.

[justintempler]

.... I've always talked myself out of these actions, however, because I've been alienated by the harsh political rhetoric that is frequently on display at snuson. In an effort to rise above the typical arguments, I won't mention the specifics of the posts or posters but I wanted it to be known that potential community members are being driven away by the tone of the political conversation here, which has only become more strident since the election of Obama. There are a multitude of forums available for me to talk politics but only one decent one that focuses on the US snus user. It would behoove all of you (and benefit me, as well) if the extreme political talk could be taken somewhere where it is more appropriate. Honestly, I have been visiting this site less and less as the most active conversations seem to have shifted to stilted political views rather than snus and its users.....

Thanks , cthulu and welcome.

[cthulu23]

Ok, here's the more finger pointing version of my previous post.

I read a post where someone mentioned that "national socialism" was their preferred form of government and there was almost no reaction. For the historically inept, that is referring to the Nazi party. Why would I want to be part of a community that didn't care about closet nazis but thinks that Obama is some sort of monster? At least the tobacco commentary has some basis in experience and fact. If I wanted to hear about farcical scenarios of international intrigue (why the **** would we want to start a war in Korea? It makes no ****ing sense) then I'd go to the loose change forums.

Edit: that being said, I understand that one can only talk about snus so long and the last thing that I want is for the mods to become deputized to police content. There's no easy answer but I do know that I hate to come here and read the same dead-end, biased, unfair debates that one can find anywhere on the internet.

[Bigblue1]

I've been lurking in these forums for quite some time now and found it an invaluable asset for me when making the transition from a heavy smoker to a full-time snus user. I started with the free tin of Camel SNUS, had my curiosity aroused, hit Google, found this site and started my transition from smoker to snuser. There is nothing new or compelling about my story but the very mundane nature of it speaks to the true value of this venue...helping to highlight another option that is available to fellow nicotine addicts/users/whatever that doesn't carry the same long term impact of more well known and more commonly used tobacco products.

As a long time reader, I've often run across posts that piqued my interest and have felt the desire to create an account, join the community and respond. I've always talked myself out of these actions, however, because I've been alienated by the harsh political rhetoric that is frequently on display at snuson. In an effort to rise above the typical arguments, I won't mention the specifics of the posts or posters but I wanted it to be known that potential community members are being driven away by the tone of the political conversation here, which has only become more strident since the election of Obama. There are a multitude of forums available for me to talk politics but only one decent one that focuses on the US snus user. It would behoove all of you (and benefit me, as well) if the extreme political talk could be taken somewhere where it is more appropriate. Honestly, I have been visiting this site less and less as the most active conversations seem to have shifted to stilted political views rather than snus and its users.

I don't know. This seems to me to be the equivalent of Meeting the perfect woman, I'm talking perfect ass, perfect tits, perfect teeth, perfect legs, great intellect, funny, great in the sack everything you were ever looking for in a woman. After months of courting and finally hitting the sack, you discover she's got this birthmark the shape of sgregers avatar on the small of her back. After seeing this birthmark you suddenly start wrestling with the question, "should I keep her or leave her. I mean I hate that stinking birthmark, but it's usually covered up, and I don't have to look at it for the most part but jeez I really hate that one part of her. I think I'm gonna ditch her. Would this make sense to anybody?

[Bigblue1]

Ok, here's the more finger pointing version of my previous post.

I read a post where someone mentioned that "national socialism" was their preferred form of government and there was almost no reaction. For the historically inept, that is referring to the Nazi party. Why would I want to be part of a community that didn't care about closet nazis but thinks that Obama is some sort of monster? At least the tobacco commentary has some basis in experience and fact. If I wanted to hear about farcical scenarios of international intrigue (why the **** would we want to start a war in Korea? It makes no ****ing sense) then I'd go to the loose change forums.

Edit: that being said, I understand that one can only talk about snus so long and the last thing that I want is for the mods to become deputized to police content. There's no easy answer but I do know that I hate to come here and read the same dead-end, biased, unfair debates that one can find anywhere on the internet.

I think part of this would come from the fact that we all know who Judgefaust is. It's useless to argue with him. This is his point of view. None of us are ever gonna change this. Just like the fact that the Obama lovers are tired of sticking up for Obama they see it as senseless at this point. Just like the GW fans (oxymoron) Stopped sticking up for him at one point. I mean Obamas relevant right now, Judges posts aren't anymore. If you do a little digging you will find many threads addressing him on his views, I'm sure of that. I guess what i'm trying to say is we are typical of any social group. We all have our own personalities and we accept those quirks for the most part. We our no different than your family, drinking buddies or co-workers. Except were cooler. So stick around we got room for more whack jobs in this place.

[danielan]

I read a post where someone mentioned that "national socialism" was their preferred form of government and there was almost no reaction.

As I recall sgreger reacted. Some posters are prone to blurting things out. We have no obligation to discredit them. They pretty much take care of that themselves.

That some people react or not is probably mostly related to the amount of boredom they are experiencing at the moment.

Feel free to jump in and react whenever you like.

[bsd777]

I read a post where someone mentioned that "national socialism" was their preferred form of government and there was almost no reaction. For the historically inept, that is referring to the Nazi party. Why would I want to be part of a community that didn't care about closet nazis but thinks that Obama is some sort of monster?

Welcome to the non-snus discussion. I can't speak for others, but I didn't see the post you reference. Personally, I find Obama's national socialism no less troubling than 1930-1940s German national socialism. I'm offended by all statists.

[lxskllr]

Welcome to SnusOn cthulu!

You can't take this stuff too seriously, it's only politics. I imagine it's Tom your talking about with the Nazi stuff :^D He's an alright guy. I'm not sure about his politics, but he's alright. We have room for Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians, Anarchists, Communists, and even Nazis. If you take away the war machine, and the extermination stuff, they were pretty mainstream as far political ideologies go :^D

The point is, you're bound to get pissed off in political threads. You can then choose to engage and take what comes, or ignore the political stuff. I generally ignore the political threads, and the ones I get in, I seldom see through the end. Nobody's gonna change their mind about anything from an argument on SnusOn, so it's all just for the sport of it. It's like rugby. You gotta be prepared to play, or just sit out. If you aren't prepared, you'll just get hurt :^)

I don't think we've gone too far where people can't get around the politics. There's enough threads to go around, but everybody needs to exercise self control :^)

[danielan]

I think part of this would come from the fact that we all know who Judgefaust is.

Judge Faust is the Commie, not the Nazi. These are completely different.

Although in the "super efficient killing machines of the 20th century" category they are pretty similar.

[cthulu23]

Some posters are prone to blurting things out. We have no obligation to discredit them. They pretty much take care of that themselves. .

Point taken. When it comes down to it, though, I'm less likely to frequent a site where Nazi references draw less reaction than a mention of Nancy Pelosi. I suppose that the zeitgeist of any particular place is too amorphous to lay at the feet of any individual or group but that does not change the nature of its character. I realize that I'm beginning to play the role of the naysayer, which is another internet persona that is tedious and far too common, so perhaps I should leave it at that.

[PipenSnus]

I don't have a problem with discussions of politics, religion, or any other controversial subject, as long as people can be civil about it. But when it degenerates into name-calling and the kind of banter better suited to a high school locker room, I quickly go back to the less controversial threads. Unfortunately, it seems that agreeing to disagree is becoming a lost art, and that most people no longer feel obliged to behave respectfully towards those they disagree with. I believe it was Heinlein who first noted that a lack of courtesy is the first symptom of a civilization in decline.

[endity]

Exactly if you do not like something that is being said on the forum skip over it. People need to start learning to take responsibility for what they say and hear. You do not have to click a link and you do not have to read it. Exercise some self control and move on

[cthulu23]

Personally, I find Obama's national socialism no less troubling than 1930-1940s German national socialism. I'm offended by all statists.

Speaking personally, I'm much more offended by the systematic murder of millions of people, not to mention the instigation of the worst tragedy in human history, than I am by the latest occupant of the White House (or the last). By the way, the Nazi's weren't actually socialists, the party just started out with that name before it was co-opted by Hitler and his ilk (Hitler believed that communism, like everything else he disagreed with, was a Jewish plot). I understand that all power is coercive and all that but let's not go too far with the equivocation.