Is the Impeachment of Barack Obama Moving Forward?

[Bdubz]

Wow. This is exactly how I've felt about this forum. Except I started with General Original. I'm fully off smokes since Feb 25th 2010 I wish I had found about snus earlier than I did.

These people with believes like bsd777, wa3zrm, and some others are pretty dangerous in my opinion. I never really post on any forums I just like to read them so this will be the last you hear of me. I just had thank cthulu23 for his words.

So would you guys stick around if we all had the same views as you? Regardless if you agree or not it is great that everyone has a different perspective to the same problem.

[sgreger1]

No need to push them further away, if they don't want to visit snuson because men are discussing politics that they don't agree with than that is their prerogative.

Only somewhere around 50% of people agree with Obama, even according to liberal polls. And Obama's 500-day approval rating lowest since Reagan according to CNN. Therefore in a political discussion, there should be no surprise that roughly half of people think one way and half of people think another. This forum is just a cross-section of America and I don't feel that needs to be regulated.

My 2 cents.

[tom502]

I just don't understand why anyone would complain about certain threads, since no one is forced to participate in whatever thread. I see threads, like the gamer thread, of which I don't like video games, but I just ignore that thread, I don't post there and complain about video game threads.

[Bdubz]

No need to push them further away, if they don't want to visit snuson because men are discussing politics that they don't agree with than that is their prerogative.

Only somewhere around 50% of people agree with Obama, even according to liberal polls. And Obama's 500-day approval rating lowest since Reagan according to CNN. Therefore in a political discussion, there should be no surprise that roughly half of people think one way and half of people think another. This forum is just a cross-section of America and I don't feel that needs to be regulated.

My 2 cents.

Sorry I wasn't trying to push them away. I just use all this as growing experiences for my own life. It is fun to see how other people with different backgrounds and lives feel about the same issue. In the last year I have taken a few seats on boards and councils in the city I live so I am always looking to expand my views in life. No disrespect meant.

[sgreger1]

Sorry I wasn't trying to push them away. I just use all this as growing experiences for my own life. It is fun to see how other people with different backgrounds and lives feel about the same issue. In the last year I have taken a few seats on boards and councils in the city I live so I am always looking to expand my views in life. No disrespect meant.

Oh that wasn't directed at you at all Bdubz, don't worry. I am just saying that everyone is too concerned about whether there is a left or right bias here on snuson and I was just pointing out that this forum is a cross section of america, so no surprise our little sample group is similarly split 50 50 on most things. Why some users feel everyone should have to agree with them I don't know. That takes the whole fun out of it.

[Darwin]

There may in fact be a positive correlation between conservative/centrist political leanings and blog members for this fact. Ninety-nine percent of us are and have been tobacco users for varying amounts of time and most have been witnesses to, and disapprovers of, the rantings of anti-tobacco zealots and the subsequent draconian regulatory difficulties in which as snus users we find ourselves. We as a group know that when zealots reflexively lump snus in with smoking as a causer of serious health problems it is a combination of pathetic ignorance and gross malfeasance on their part and that even the most anti-regulation congress critters seem too cowed to object when such as the PACT crosses their desks.

In our present political landscape is is uncontroversial to state that the left is no great enemy of increasing regulation of our lives and that conservatives tend toward the opposite. Knowing this and observing the fact of clueless and un-nuanced tobacco regulation the rightish half of the landscape is inevitably more aggrieved by it. Almost by definition virtually everyone here abhors this ridiculous state of regulatory affairs so it would not surprise me to find that a larger percentage of conservative/centrists inhabits this board. That fact should not be all that controversial and certainly should not hold anyone back from saying anything they want whatever their political views might be.

To say for instance that few championship caliber soccer players are Eskimos is in no way a racist comment about said northerly native Americans. In like wise saying that most on this board are of at least a somewhat conservative bent is likely true but that fact is irrelevant to the course of discussion here.

[daruckis]

yeah i find it easy to stay out of political threads most of the time, but lately i cant resist it, i dont know why. i guess im on an anti politicization tirade. the plan is to hop into every political thread and try to derail discussion. it isnt working.

for the record i think judge faust and sgreger1 should co run the country. and a reality show should cover the entire fracas.

[CultLeaderLettuce]

People who believe in personal freedom

My issue with so many "conservatives" is that they're full of crap. Personal freedom? I'm gay, and you know what? If I ever found someone worth marrying, I'd have to first look at a short list of states where I would be allowed to marry, and from there, I'd have to hope that anyone who I would want to come to my wedding would be able to travel to whatever state I chose. Form there, I'd have to choose a state where I could actually live and not have my rights trampled on because whatever particular state I in forced some law into being that made my marriage null.

Yeah... that's apparently personal freedom... I'm pretty conservative, but I'm sick of all the fake conservatives who piss and moan about "durr, teh obama" all the time, and scream "less laws," and then turn around and sign more laws in to "protect them from the godless faggots." If more conservatives actually practiced what they preached, and stopped following the disgusting fundamentalist agendas, things might be a little nicer. But yeah... personal freedoms? I can only dream. =/

And for anyone in here who says "I don't come here because of the ultra right wing viewpoints," do what I do when I'm sick of the hypocrisy of today's popular "conservative" movement (in quotations because it's all pure crap) and just don't read, and stay around the safer parts of the forum...

[sgreger1]

My issue with so many "conservatives" is that they're full of crap. Personal freedom? I'm gay, and you know what? If I ever found someone worth marrying, I'd have to first look at a short list of states where I would be allowed to marry, and from there, I'd have to hope that anyone who I would want to come to my wedding would be able to travel to whatever state I chose. Form there, I'd have to choose a state where I could actually live and not have my rights trampled on because whatever particular state I in forced some law into being that made my marriage null.

Yeah... that's apparently personal freedom... I'm pretty conservative, but I'm sick of all the fake conservatives who piss and moan about "durr, teh obama" all the time, and scream "less laws," and then turn around and sign more laws in to "protect them from the godless faggots." If more conservatives actually practiced what they preached, and stopped following the disgusting fundamentalist agendas, things might be a little nicer. But yeah... personal freedoms? I can only dream. =/

And for anyone in here who says "I don't come here because of the ultra right wing viewpoints," do what I do when I'm sick of the hypocrisy of today's popular "conservative" movement (in quotations because it's all pure crap) and just don't read, and stay around the safer parts of the forum...

I know isn't it ironic that the congressmen that sign the anti-gay laws always turn out to be gay themselves? And that the conservative catholics are the world leading authority in man-boy love? I mean it's hilarious. I like the conservatives view on government needing to be scaled down, and I agree with the personal liberty, but they need to separate that from their extremist religious views. I mean you can't pick and choose personal liberty, either everyone has it or they don't, you can't claim to want liberty and justice for all just to sign anti-pot and anti-homo laws, it just doesn't make sense.

That's why I consider myself a libertarian nowadays, they are much more liberal on most social issues and still maintain the "responsible government" concept for the most part, though there are plenty of crazies in the libertarian group as well.


@ Daruckis: I like your idea, it would make one hell of a reality show at least, even if it does bring the end of the world.

[CultLeaderLettuce]

I know isn't it ironic that the congressmen that sign the anti-gay laws always turn out to be gay themselves? And that the conservative catholics are the world leading authority in man-boy love? I mean it's hilarious. I like the conservatives view on government needing to be scaled down, and I agree with the personal liberty, but they need to separate that from their extremist religious views. I mean you can't pick and choose personal liberty, either everyone has it or they don't, you can't claim to want liberty and justice for all just to sign anti-pot and anti-homo laws, it just doesn't make sense.

That's why I consider myself a libertarian nowadays, they are much more liberal on most social issues and still maintain the "responsible government" concept for the most part, though there are plenty of crazies in the libertarian group as well.

Yeah, those points are very ironic, and I've thought the same for a long time. And also, picking and choosing is a bad way to go, I just don't understand why so many people who call themselves conservative choose to do so. Well, maybe things will change in time, we shall see.

And yeah, I consider myself to be more of a libertarian than anything else nowadays. At times, I feel that they are more true to the conservative roots than the majority of republicans... but sadly there are still crazies (but there will be crazies in every group, it's just how the world works I guess).

[tom502]

I think "conservatives", want to conserve the ways of the past, maybe not all the bad parts, but I think it more an idealism, of a vision of a time when the USA really was number one. It just so happens that many conservatives have adopted the Rep party, which also appeals to many Christian fundies, but then again, on the gay issues, the Dems even do not back gay marriage. So, on certain issues, it's hard to finger point to one side.

[truthwolf1]

After gay marriage passes polygamy will be next. I need more wives to take care of stuff.

[tom502]

Personally, I support freedom for gays and polygamists to marry. While so much media is on the Mormon sects, I bet there are just as many if not more, Muslim polygamists in the US. To me, if you are a consentual adult, willfully wanting to enter into such a commitment, then I support it. I would not support unwilling participants, minors, and animals in marriage ceremonies.

[truthwolf1]

A happy man has
an american pay-check
a british mansion
a japanese wife and
a chinese cook

An unhappy man has
a chinese pay-check
a british cook
a japanese house and
an american wife