Aid ship attacked by Israeli soldiers

[bsd777]

Actually, I'm kinda glad that ugly wench is on their side and not ours.

Yes. Ugly inside and out.

[sgreger1]

people who are saying "it's not sirael's land, it's ours they took it from us" are crazy. Look at what they have done with the land, they have made an oasis from the desert and now their neighbors are jealous.

These are the same people as in the reconquista movement "No the southern states belong to mexico and America stole them, we want our land back, your squatting illegally on our land. You commited genocide to steal it from us" blah blah blah.

Screw the reconquista movement, screw the "kick the jews out of israel" movement, they are one in the same.

[danielan]

Communists they are, imperialists they are not. They are cordoned off to their little islands where they can oppress their people in peace. They aren't out trying to dominate the world or run the show like the soviet union was with their hitler era mass genocide and concentration camps.

Venezuela is not an island.

Castro and Chavez are certainly Imperialist. They ally with FARC, train communist revolutionaries, prop up communist regimes, etc.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62047720100301

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23435878/

etc.

[bsd777]

people who are saying "it's not sirael's land, it's ours they took it from us" are crazy. Look at what they have done with the land, they have made an oasis from the desert and now their neighbors are jealous.

These are the same people as in the reconquista movement "No the southern states belong to mexico and America stole them, we want our land back, your squatting illegally on our land. You commited genocide to steal it from us" blah blah blah.

Screw the reconquista movement, screw the "kick the jews out of israel" movement, they are one in the same.

yes. Bibi wrote a good book which covered this topic well. Lots of history and figures. More "jew propaganda" I guess

[bsd777]

Faust was born in (I forget the country) somewhere in the former USSR if I recall correctly. One of the smaller places, (Belarus maybe, I forget). He currently resides in San Francisco where I am and is a practicing attorney. I find him to be one of the most well written members here but I just cannot get on the same page with him about communism.

The problem is the propaganda war, in America I am tought that communism is the root of all evil, and where he came from, he gets propaganda about how its a constant struggle to end capitalism, because capitalism and the west is the root of all evil. So naturally he clashes with some people from the west. I don't mind the "idea" of communism, but in practice it just hasn't worked out so well. Capitalism has it's flaws too but I mean lets look at history and you tell me which worked better.

Poor bastard. Maybe he's a great guy, but why come here, why NOT Venezuela? I'm sure he was never exposed to principles of freedom in the USSR. But he has eyes. How could anyone who lived through that and had the benefit of living here, see any benefit to the former? I'll take issue with your propaganda statement. I was raised in public schools, no Internet, no talk radio, no Fox news. Only CBS, NBC, ABC and CNN, local papers and the NY Times. MY indoctrination did not cheer the virtues of capitalism. I learned FDR and Teddy were great men and that Democracy was a good thing. I'm pretty sure my parents even voted for Carter. Mine was a self awakening, which started with my interest in economics. I can still remember reading statements which, at first, troubled me. Like "democracy is two wolfs and one sheep deciding what's for dinner". Or brutal economic realities. You know, the way things are, as apposed to the way we would like them to be.

[bsd777]

Venezuela is not an island.

Castro and Chavez are certainly Imperialist. They ally with FARC, train communist revolutionaries, prop up communist regimes, etc.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62047720100301

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23435878/

etc.

Yes. By it's very nature, communism seeks to control. Why wouldn't they seek to expand that control?

[Darwin]

There is not one square inch of this earth that has not been taken, conquered, annexed, overrun, or otherwise removed from the hands of someone sometime--probably many sometimes. All current polities are conglomerations of land acquired by conquest upon conquest, upon war, going back a hundred thousand years. If you have a country now, however you got it, you can keep it if you can defend it. Israel defends itself. So does every other country when sufficiently threatened. Some of us don't like it. Euro-ninnies don't like it. Islamic thugocracies really don't like it. Too damn bad. Go ahead. Invade 'em. See where that gets you. Very likely it gets your ass kicked--again.

[danielan]

Yes. By it's very nature, communism seeks to control. Why wouldn't they seek to expand that control?

Because, they are supposed to get all angsty like us about this sort of thing.

[bsd777]

There's two issues I take personally, Islamists and Marxists. Both seek control, servitude and expansion. I'm ok, if you want to shave your head and worship goldfish but the minute you seek to control me or my family, I've got a problem and I take it personally. My daughter will never wear a burka, if I have anything to do with it and I am willing to sacrifice and would put myself at risk, if allowed to.

[bsd777]

Euro-ninnies don't like it.

It's really odd, because the Europeans have always been such passionate defenders of Judaism. Right? Never any antisemitism, pogroms or holocausts there, right?

[tom502]

I like the DPRK.

[Roo]

99 out of 100 muslims on this earth are pious, moderate, humble, peace-loving people. But you don't know anything about those 99 because there is nothing to report about them that is newsworthy, and you probably don't know any of them personally. So much ignorance prevails regarding the Islamic world, and I am so tired of people pointing their fingers at one third of their fellow human beings and calling every last one of them the enemy. Islam is not the enemy. It is ignorance. Religion is well suited for the benefit of small-scale societies. It tells people who are not free to think for themselves what to do and how to behave for the betterment of isolated communities of like-minded individuals. On a global scale, however, the function of religion to unite breaks down and creates seemingly insurmountable boundries between opposing peoples, and pits one man against his distant brother who is in fact fighting the same struggle to live peacefully and without want, and for that I find it unsuitable and detrimental to our survival in present times. The great irony is that the nearly-prehistoric myths we have created to explain and understand our beginnings will be the cause of our demise. No offense, just my opinion on the matter.

[bsd777]

I like the DPRK.

What's not to like?

[shikitohno]

people who are saying "it's not sirael's land, it's ours they took it from us" are crazy. Look at what they have done with the land, they have made an oasis from the desert and now their neighbors are jealous.

These are the same people as in the reconquista movement "No the southern states belong to mexico and America stole them, we want our land back, your squatting illegally on our land. You commited genocide to steal it from us" blah blah blah.

Screw the reconquista movement, screw the "kick the jews out of israel" movement, they are one in the same.

Well, having made better use of the land doesn't really justify stealing it, if that were the case nobody should've kicked the UK out of African nations. They increased industry and yields greatly over what the Africans had. Letting the issue of its founding slide as far as a theft argument goes, just sticking to the modern day Israel still continues to steal land through the Settlers movement. Yes, Hamas stirs up sh¡t with their rockets, but the Settlers do their part as well. I'm trying to find the link, but I remember reading that the only two nations which officially recognise the Israeli version of their borders as legal are Israel and the US. The rest of the world and the UN still insist that Israel was supposed to go back to their 1967 borders. Could be wrong, but I'm fairly sure I remember reading that somewhere.

Also, regarding the statements I've seen saying Jews were living in Palestine peacefully, until the Arabs attacked, perspective is again important. The Arab leaders of the surrounding nations attacked, which doesn't explain to me why the Palestinians had what was left of Palestine taken in large part from them.

And as sgreger1 said, Israel shot themselves in the foot with this one. Had they waited until it was in territorial waters, people could complain, but they wouldn't really have much to stand on for it. Then again, I doubt the UN will do anything about Israel until they really screw things up, since as others have mentioned or hinted at, the US sits on the security council and prevents any action from being taken against Israel.

As far as the "Remember who your friends are" video of Palestinians celebrating 9/11, if I were Palestinian I would have been celebrating too. My enemy's enemy is my friend, but my enemy's friends are not my friends. Duh. The US consistently sides with Israel in the conflict, so it doesn't take a genius to figure out that Palestinians wouldn't exactly be keen on US.

[bsd777]

Well, having made better use of the land doesn't really justify stealing it, if that were the case nobody should've kicked the UK out of African nations. They increased industry and yields greatly over what the Africans had. Letting the issue of its founding slide as far as a theft argument goes, just sticking to the modern day Israel still continues to steal land through the Settlers movement. Yes, Hamas stirs up sh¡t with their rockets, but the Settlers do their part as well. I'm trying to find the link, but I remember reading that the only two nations which officially recognise the Israeli version of their borders as legal are Israel and the US. The rest of the world and the UN still insist that Israel was supposed to go back to their 1967 borders. Could be wrong, but I'm fairly sure I remember reading that somewhere.

Also, regarding the statements I've seen saying Jews were living in Palestine peacefully, until the Arabs attacked, perspective is again important. The Arab leaders of the surrounding nations attacked, which doesn't explain to me why the Palestinians had what was left of Palestine taken in large part from them.

And as sgreger1 said, Israel shot themselves in the foot with this one. Had they waited until it was in territorial waters, people could complain, but they wouldn't really have much to stand on for it. Then again, I doubt the UN will do anything about Israel until they really screw things up, since as others have mentioned or hinted at, the US sits on the security council and prevents any action from being taken against Israel.

As far as the "Remember who your friends are" video of Palestinians celebrating 9/11, if I were Palestinian I would have been celebrating too. My enemy's enemy is my friend, but my enemy's friends are not my friends. Duh. The US consistently sides with Israel in the conflict, so it doesn't take a genius to figure out that Palestinians wouldn't exactly be keen on US.

The area, as noted by Mark Twain and others, was desolate and sparsely populated before Jews started to re-populate (in the late 1800's) an area they originally inhabited. The term "palestinian" is derived from sea faring people who inhabited the area once known as Judea, but renamed by the Romans, after these seafaring people, the philistines. The Romans renamed the area, in an effort to remove vestiges of Judaism from the area.

We really should get out of the UN. It is useless, corrupt and riddled with Jew and America hating counties. It should surprise no one that the UN usually votes against the US and Israel. It's like a gathering of Marvel comic book villains. Why should be care what France, most of Africa and all of the middle East (except Israel) thinks? They are all dysfunctional societies. It's be like getting dating advise from Van Der Sloot.

Yeah, you probably would be jumping up and down with half of the Muslim world. But their joy has little to do with us and everything to do with them. They hate, it's what they do, if not us, they'd find someone else. It beats getting a job, I guess.