Aid ship attacked by Israeli soldiers

[danielan]

it's be like getting dating advise from van der sloot.

lol

[bsd777]

99 out of 100 muslims on this earth are pious, moderate, humble, peace-loving people. But you don't know anything about those 99 because there is nothing to report about them that is newsworthy, and you probably don't know any of them personally. So much ignorance prevails regarding the Islamic world, and I am so tired of people pointing their fingers at one third of their fellow human beings and calling every last one of them the enemy. Islam is not the enemy. It is ignorance. Religion is well suited for the benefit of small-scale societies. It tells people who are not free to think for themselves what to do and how to behave for the betterment of isolated communities of like-minded individuals. On a global scale, however, the function of religion to unite breaks down and creates seemingly insurmountable boundries between opposing peoples, and pits one man against his distant brother who is in fact fighting the same struggle to live peacefully and without want, and for that I find it unsuitable and detrimental to our survival in present times. The great irony is that the nearly-prehistoric myths we have created to explain and understand our beginnings will be the cause of our demise. No offense, just my opinion on the matter.

Let's assume you are right. 1% of 1.2 billion is 12 million and that's a lot. I wish you were, but suspect otherwise. Just a few, I found rather quickly.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...law-in-UK.html
Sorry, I hear some libs don't like this site. The founder is a Christian, from the middle east, so these issues are discussed frequently here. I guess it's no Daily Kos or MSNBC. The article quotes from the UK Daily Mail and Germany's Speigel. Is that good?
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=56286
They, regardless of their percentage, are the subject, because they are at war with us, the west and everyone who is not them.

[shikitohno]

Wow bsd777, a little bit fanatical there? They're muslims, so clearly their only purpose in life is hating everything. And have you ever considered that perhaps the reason the UN often votes against the US is because we're not always right? Difficult concept, that we might make mistakes sometimes, I know. I'll be watching this thread, but unless things get substantially less retarded, I'll not be posting in here again. The world is not entirely black and white, bsd777. It's not all Muslims v. Christians, good v. evil. If that makes you feel better about your personal beliefs to view things that way, good for you, but you're getting a distorted view of reality.

And tom, come on! I mean, great if you love the DPRK, but you're kind of killing the credibility of the side opposed to Israel here. You're already espousing a fairly fringe viewpoint with a stance against Israel, but you break the fourth wall there with the random "I like the DPRK."

[Roo]

OK, well do you adore and admire 100% of Christians? The rapists, molesters, murderers, and criminals who praise Jesus? Every last one of them? Are evil Christians somehow more admirable or forgivable? Get a grip. And assuming I subscribe to MSNBC or some shit is retarded. It's okay though, you don't know anything about me, nor do I about you. I'd like to bridge that gap a little, if you're willing.

[bsd777]

Wow bsd777, a little bit fanatical there? They're muslims, so clearly their only purpose in life is hating everything. And have you ever considered that perhaps the reason the UN often votes against the US is because we're not always right? Difficult concept, that we might make mistakes sometimes, I know. I'll be watching this thread, but unless things get substantially less retarded, I'll not be posting in here again. The world is not entirely black and white, bsd777. It's not all Muslims v. Christians, good v. evil. If that makes you feel better about your personal beliefs to view things that way, good for you, but you're getting a distorted view of reality.

And tom, come on! I mean, great if you love the DPRK, but you're kind of killing the credibility of the side opposed to Israel here. You're already espousing a fairly fringe viewpoint with a stance against Israel, but you break the fourth wall there with the random "I like the DPRK."

Logic is essential to accurate understanding. Not all Muslims are Islamists, but all Islamists are Muslim. No Buddists, Mormons, Quakers, Baptists, Hindus or Jews are at war with everyone that is not them. No, only Islamists. Understanding this fact does not make me feel "better", but I prefer reality.

[bsd777]

OK, well do you adore and admire 100% of Christians? The rapists, molesters, murderers, and criminals who praise Jesus? Every last one of them? Are evil Christians somehow more admirable or forgivable? Get a grip. And assuming I subscribe to MSNBC or some shit is retarded. It's okay though, you don't know anything about me, nor do I about you. I'd like to bridge that gap a little, if you're willing.

You seem like a nice guy, just a little misguided. I understand you better than you think. But you are not as open minded as you like to think. You've stated that you think people who believe in personal liberty are unintelligent and assumed someone with differing, and more conservative, views than your own must not have seen much of the world.

No, I do not admire 100% of anything. You're right about MSNBC, I shouldn't generalise like that. Someone has to watch, they have a few hundred viewer, I think.

[shikitohno]

Settlers my friend. At war with the world. Funnily enough, Jews too. And there's also God's Army, a Burmese Christian group aimed at establishing a theocracy in Burma. There's plenty more if you care to investigate conflicts in Africa and Asia. So, no, not only Islamists. They just happen to be the ones that get the news coverage in the US.

On that note, really ending the posting here.

[daruckis]

judge to the faust, j-juh, j-judge faauust. in the motha f**kin house yall.

im really bored tonight.

[Roo]

You seem like a nice guy just a little misguided. I understand you better than you think. But you are not as open minded as you like to think. You've stated that you think people who believe in personal liberty are unintelligent and assumed someone with differing, and more conservative, views than your own must not have seen much of the world.

No, I do not admire 100% of anything. You're right about MSNBC, I shouldn't generalise like that. Someone has to watch, they have a few hundred viewer, I think.

Nice, but misguided. In this fantasy forum-world I'll take that. Thanks.

I think people who believe in personal liberty are unintelligent? You understand me better than I think? Good Lord, this just goes to show that three or four statements and retorts on the internet can be easily misconstrued into some kind of illusion that we have any insight whatsoever into each other's character. I hold " personal liberty" in the highest regard, so please do tell what compelled you to make such a claim. If I said something directed toward you that gave you that impression, my sincerest apologies are in order. Please don't claim to understand me. I will gladly extend to you the same courtesy. You never know, bsd777, we could respect each other and our differences in opinion a great deal if we stopped pretending that we actually know anything about each other's true character.

[tom502]

I can't be politically catgorized, as I have varying views. I do think the planting of Israel by the UN was a mistake. I don't think the DPRK is big fans of Israel, since they accused DPRK of working with Syria on a nuke project, and it's being rumoured that Mossad was invloved with the Chenoan sinking to blame on the DPRK.

[Frosted]

So - the IDF didn't shoot everybody on the Irish ship. Reason - nobody attacked the soldiers. It's very simple really.

And to everybody that claims it's piracy - Piracy is when you steal. The IDF are re-directing the aid through Ashdod. There's a blockade on you know (just carrying on the patronising nature of posts) :-)

[sgreger1]

Haha, I do not blame the muslims for cheering at the twin towers falling because I know that I routinely cheer at missiles being dropped in Afghanistan, hoping it grazes the nearby mosque. It's all a matter of perspective what is a victory and what is a defeat. Like in the israel/palestein thing:

1)Israeli's kill palestinians, palestinians cry foul at how the evil zionists could attack innocents
2)Palestinians then shoot rockets into random places in Israel, hoping to kill civilians.
3)Israeli civilians die and they cry foul at how the evil palestinians could attack innocents
4) Repeat steps 1-3


The sad irony is that while both sides perceive it as a victory when members of the other side die, in reality there has been no victory for either side, just mutual defeat. After all, the end result was just that civilians on both sides died, right?

This is the sad state of human nature, there is ongoing war and one must be loyal to the side you happen to be born into. Endless struggle with no accomplishments, just people dying for "peace" that never comes. Religion creates itself to try and give some meaning to this struggle. "Why is there evil, why do bad things happen to good people, why did god kill my child in the war?" Religion comes in and says that it's all a test and if you just follow the rules then, at a later point, the end will come and you will be able to rest. A thousand years of peace.
Well we're several thousand years into it and there is no rest in sight.

[lxskllr]

Every time this thread pops up, I see Air ship attacked by Israeli soldiers, and I picture them attacking a blimp :^D

[danielan]

So - the IDF didn't shoot everybody on the Irish ship. Reason - It's hard to shoot someone when they are river-dancing. It's very simple really.

I agree!

[bsd777]

Warning, the following intelligent, logical and factual commentary is not from the Daily Kos
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...060304287.html