Aid ship attacked by Israeli soldiers

[Frosted]

ROFL Nice one.

[Judge Faust]

That would be just silly. What I said is that someone shoots a rocket into your house killing your family so you retaliate by attacking their house. Both sides are in a way wrong there and both sides let to the conflict. Eye for an eye is how people in the middle east have always been. Right or wrong, it's how they see the world and I respect that.

You're still mixing up the various players, my friend. I remind you that the ships attacked were Turkish ships. All of the civilians massacred on-board were Turks with Turkish citizenship. What is this "eye for an eye" for? For being Israel's only Muslim ally in the entire world?

Also, to you and all other supporters of the Zionist version of the story: remember the comment I made several days ago about Israel rejecting an international inquiry? It has now done so again:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/mid...t/10250354.stm

Any comments? If you accept Israel's made-up story, how do you explain its refusal to have anyone else actually check it out? Pretty secretive for someone with nothing to hide, don't you think?

[Frosted]

You're still mixing up the various players, my friend. I remind you that the ships attacked were Turkish ships. All of the civilians massacred on-board were Turks with Turkish citizenship. What is this "eye for an eye" for? For being Israel's only Muslim ally in the entire world?

Also, to you and all other supporters of the Zionist version of the story: remember the comment I made several days ago about Israel rejecting an international inquiry? It has now done so again:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/mid...t/10250354.stm

Any comments? If you accept Israel's made-up story, how do you explain its refusal to have anyone else actually check it out? Pretty secretive for someone with nothing to hide, don't you think?

Cause they know that the rest of the world is made up of do gooding googly eyed left wing nuts who would twist the facts to suit the nice little cosy world they live in.
Also - the Israelis don't seem to care what the rest of the world thinks. The way they feel is - "it's our problem and we'll deal with it - stay out of it." Quite like the "if you f**k with us - we'll kill you" approach.

I quite like their style.

[AllanH]

Here are some photos from the ship, taken by passenger published on Turkish magazine Hürrieyt. Israelis forgot to wipe one camera's internal memory. This seems to be moment after first charge and those tough "commandos" got their asses badly kicked and people seem to be tending injured soldiers. Seems Israeli army doesn't have the guts for close combat at all anymore.https://fotogaleri.hurriyet.com.tr/G...6575&p=1&rid=2

[sgreger1]

You're still mixing up the various players, my friend. I remind you that the ships attacked were Turkish ships. All of the civilians massacred on-board were Turks with Turkish citizenship. What is this "eye for an eye" for? For being Israel's only Muslim ally in the entire world?

Also, to you and all other supporters of the Zionist version of the story: remember the comment I made several days ago about Israel rejecting an international inquiry? It has now done so again:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/mid...t/10250354.stm

Any comments? If you accept Israel's made-up story, how do you explain its refusal to have anyone else actually check it out? Pretty secretive for someone with nothing to hide, don't you think?

Judge, I understand Turkey is their "ally" and that they shot themselves in the foot here. I'm not saying I accept the "zionists" version of the story, i'm just pointing out that what happened here is someone ran a military checkpoint, and when the military went to search them to figure out why they would run the checkpoint, they were attacked and therefore the military responded with force. It is tragic but this happens all over the world unfortunately.

When I was in the army my unit had a car speeding towards a checkpoint in Baji, Iraq, they were warned with warning shots and everything but they just kept going, blowing past everyone else in line and racing to the checkpoint. This makes constantly on-their-toes soldiers think that it may be a car bomb speeding towards them, so they used the 50 cal to shoot up the vehicle. The occupant turned out to be a man and his pregnant wife who were speeding because she was in labor. Its a terrible tragedy but at the same time, can you blame the soldiers who are constantly bombarded with people trying to bomb checkpoints? Was the army wrong to follow procedure and respond with force, was the man and his wife wrong for knowing what would happen yet proceeding forward anyways? This is the world we live in Faust, and it doesn't always play out perfectly.


Anyways, I'm not going to disagree with you that Israel is constantly doing stupid shit because I would have no basis to make that claim, but I feel that these protestors knew what was going to happen. Just my 2 cents.

[sgreger1]

Shit like this is why Israel is losing credibility at every turn:

The IDF admitted today in a press release that it doctored audio footage from its exchanges with the Gaza flotilla in order to paint the flotilla passengers as anti-Semites.


Though to be fair, I feel Israel's response was legit:

Yesterday evening on 4 June 2010, the IDF released an audio recording of a radio transmission between the Israeli Navy vessel and the Flotilla ships wherein unidentified flotilla passengers tell the Israeli Navy vessel to “shut up, go back to Auschwitz” and “we’re helping Arabs go against the US, don’t forget 9/11.” There have been questions regarding the authenticity of the recording as well as its attribution to a communication with the Mavi Marmara.

So to clarify: the audio was edited down to cut out periods of silence over the radio as well as incomprehensible comments so as to make it easier for people to listen to the exchange. We have now uploaded the entire segment of 5 minutes and 58 seconds in which the exchange took place and the comments were made.

This transmission had originally cited the Mavi Marmara ship as being the source of these remarks, however, due to an open channel, the specific ship or ships in the “Freedom Flotilla” responding to the Israeli Navy could not be identified. During radio transmissions between Israeli Navy and the ships of the “Free Gaza” Flotilla on 31 May 2010, the Israeli Navy ship attempts to make contact with the ‘Defne Y’ on channel 1-6. Other ships from the flotilla respond on the channel, without identifying themselves. At some point during the radio exchange the Israeli Navy is told by one of the ships to “shut up, go back to Auschwitz” (2:05) and “don’t forget 9-11? (5:42).

[mcoffman]

Here are some photos from the ship, taken by passenger published on Turkish magazine Hürrieyt. Israelis forgot to wipe one camera's internal memory. This seems to be moment after first charge and those tough "commandos" got their asses badly kicked and people seem to be tending injured soldiers. Seems Israeli army doesn't have the guts for close combat at all anymore.https://fotogaleri.hurriyet.com.tr/G...6575&p=1&rid=2

Why don't you find an IDF soldier an see if he has the guts or not for close combat? You'll find out real quick what Krav Maga is!! If Mossad went in on a mission to kill, then there would be very few survivors left.

[Frosted]

Why can't the Jews and Arabs get along just like this eh?

http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2...-kitten-p1.php

[Darwin]

Could the the first cat to upchuck a dog hairball.

[bsd777]

Shit like this is why Israel is losing credibility at every turn:

The IDF admitted today in a press release that it doctored audio footage from its exchanges with the Gaza flotilla in order to paint the flotilla passengers as anti-Semites.

Though to be fair, I feel Israel's response was legit:

I'm sorry, nothing personal sgreger1, but the article is crap. Absolute misleading crap. The headline screams "doctored", which the first sentence repeats then states to "paint the passengers anti-Semitic". The Israelis didn't say they changed the content of the recording, just that they removed silence and undiscernible audio. How does that translate into doctoring evidence?

[lxskllr]

These arguments are all well and good, but I still haven't heard the rational for Israel invading a sovereign country. It's the same as the USA shooting down Canadian planes flying in Canadian airspace but headed in the general direction of the USA. Where's the authority come from? If we did that too many times, we'd have WWIII on our hands.

[bsd777]

These arguments are all well and good, but I still haven't heard the rational for Israel invading a sovereign country. It's the same as the USA shooting down Canadian planes flying in Canadian airspace but headed in the general direction of the USA. Where's the authority come from? If we did that too many times, we'd have WWIII on our hands.

Sorry, I don't follow. Which country did they invade?

[Frosted]

These arguments are all well and good, but I still haven't heard the rational for Israel invading a sovereign country. It's the same as the USA shooting down Canadian planes flying in Canadian airspace but headed in the general direction of the USA. Where's the authority come from? If we did that too many times, we'd have WWIII on our hands.

US and UK did it fairly recently.

[danielan]

Which sovereign country are you talking about?

It's the same as the USA shooting down Canadian planes flying in Canadian airspace but headed in the general direction of the USA.

Bad analogy IMO. They weren't just heading in the general direction. They were proceeding to their (loudly and frequently) stated objective.

If a Canadian plane announced that it would enter our airspace without authorization and fly over restricted areas, we would tell them not to, we would ask Canada to stop them from taking off, etc.

If they persisted, we would scramble fighters and intercept them in international airspace (assuming they came in from the ocean sides - since Israel didn't invade Turkish airspace).

The "victims" here are not innocent civilians, they are crossing the line between being non-combatants and unlawful combatants (civilians acting in a war without government authorization).

[lxskllr]

Sorry, I don't follow. Which country did they invade?

A ship at sea is a sovereign country flying the flag of it's home country. If I were running Turkey, Israel would have a shiny new war on their hands. With Pakistan supplying military hardware, they would shortly cease to exist.