Aid ship attacked by Israeli soldiers

[outsidelinebacker20]

As was said previously, they went looking for trouble and found it. Take a knife to a gun fight with the Israelis and bitch when you get shot. They intended to stir the pot and were too stupid to think of the consequences. tom502: You agree with most of what Judge Douchebag says? I am sorry to see that the twat still has not figured out how to use a gun.

[Judge Faust]

As was said previously, they went looking for trouble and found it. Take a knife to a gun fight with the Israelis and bitch when you get shot. They intended to stir the pot and were too stupid to think of the consequences. tom502: You agree with most of what Judge Douchebag says? I am sorry to see that the twat still has not figured out how to use a gun.

"[T]hey went out looking for trouble and found it." Really? Attempting to deliver wheelchairs, food, and gas to dying people is "looking for trouble?" You truly have no empathy for fellow human beings, do you?

"People" (I use the term with some hesitation here) such as yourself sicken and disgust me. I assume that you would prefer us all to turn a blind eye to the suffering of others and to find humor in Zionist barbarianism? Well, no, I choose not to do that, and it is apparent to me that the vast majority of individuals here share my sentiments. I am happy to note that ignorant, bloodthirsty sociopaths such as yourself are a dying breed; perhaps it is time that you joined the rest of us as a civilized and decent human being.

[Robert81]

The fact of the matter is that international maritime law is nearly nonexistent. Most nations currently agree on two things only: nations can prosecute their own citizens for crimes committed on the high seas, and nations have the duty to protect their own citizens on the high seas. As you can see, with a rogue state such as Israel, this gets us absolutely nowhere.

Now, here is my own personal opinion: The Zionist Empire is a disgrace to the human race. This false nation, created by the whims of the American and British occupiers of the Middle East, is the one true heir to NAZI Germany. For decades, it has demonstrated nothing but a complete and utter disregard for human life, a blatant racism best relegated to the 16th century, and an inhuman bloodlust that would have sent shivers down Hitler's spine. The Zionists have pissed on the proud history of their Judaic forefathers and have set down a path of violence and infamy, treating the Holocaust as a credit account against which they can charge each and every crime that they wish to unleash on modern humanity. I send my condolences to the families and victims of Israel's latest crime against humanity, as well as to the millions affected by its campaign of genocide against the Muslim world.

The Zionist Empire? It's a country trying to exist in a land full of hatred. You can call it an Empire if you like, because it's clearly the most advanced country in the Middle East and it's less than a century old. How are they a disgrace to the human race? Israel tries to be as tolerant as it can be with the surrounding Muslims, and in fact millions of Muslims live peacefully inside Israel. Maybe they are considered Jews though, as the Quran clearly states "You who believe, do not take the Jews and Christians as allies: they are allies only to each other. Anyone who takes them as an ally becomes one of them – God does not guide such wrongdoers.” The Quran also states it is ok to kill Christians and Jews, as anyone who doesn't follow Islam is a wrongdoer and God sees nothing wrong with taking any form of action against them. I really wish you were around to see what the Holocaust was like. Saying what Israel does would "send chills down Hitlers spine" has got to be the most retarded thing I've ever read.... Unless you live in Israel, experienced the holocaust you just sound like an imbecile. Lord only knows what you read and believe in your spare time. Hitler was one of the most evil men in the history of man. The only thing that can send chills down his spine would be his flatulence lol. What Israel does it does to defend itself. If they were as evil as Hitler or anything like Nazi Germany they'd have control of a majority of the Middle East by now, as they are clearly the strongest nation there and have been attacked numerous times without an all out retaliation.

To the point of this whole raid on the 'supplies' boat. The soldiers were attacked first and the supplies were most likely for terrorists. There are ways to get aid into Gaza, and running a blockade is not the way. This was a political voyage that convinced hateful people to hate more. The Muslim nations that hate Israel will blow any support they gain with people with brains, because they'll be right back to their cowardly rocket attacks and suicide bombings before long. That much is obvious to me.

[Frosted]

Yep - run a blockade - don't expect to get boarded - try to mob soldiers and not expect them to defend themselves. Fire rockets into Israel and expect to do so at ones leisure and act all surprised and offended when Israel gets the hump.

Some people simply don't live in the real f**king world.

[Judge Faust]

To my friend Robert: your post contained enough ignorance to make me consider the option of not replying to this silly drivel. Nevertheless, honor compels me, so let's address your more interesting statements one by one:

Q: "The Zionist Empire? It's a country trying to exist in a land full of hatred."
A: Wait, so the slaughter of innocent civilians is now necessary in order "to exist in a land of hatred?" What is a "land of hatred," anyway? Do you realize that, beside Egypt, Turkey is the only Muslim ally that Israel had? Do you realize that it has now alienated this rare ally, perhaps forever? Do you think well at all?

Q: "You can call it an Empire if you like, because it's clearly the most advanced country in the Middle East and it's less than a century old."
A: Once again, I will ask you to define your terms. What makes one an "advanced country?" For instance, the United Arab Emirates are not killing anyone, stealing anyone's land, or starving anyone to death. Does decency make them less "advanced?" I am confused; tell me more.

Q: "How are they a disgrace to the human race?"
A: You are not especially stupid, so this question is quite silly. Still, let me humor you. The Zionist Empire is a disgrace because:
(1) It is currently committing genocide.
(2) It is a racist nation.
(3) It is ruled by religious fanatics.
(4) It is, in an age of post-colonialism, trying to be a colonialist power.

Q: "Unless you live in Israel, experienced the holocaust you just sound like an imbecile."
A: This is directed at everyone else: in this statement, my friends, you see what I mean about the Zionists treating the Holocaust as a credit account. Apparently, people such as Robert believe that Israel is justified in anything and everything it does, simply on account of Hitler's actions 60 years ago. My US friends, please consider the following hypothetical situation: a group of rogue descendants of Native Americans decides to kill your children in retribution for 18th century US policies. Is such an action justified? If you answer "no," then you too are a decent human being.

[Frosted]

(1) It is currently committing genocide.
(2) It is a racist nation.
(3) It is ruled by religious fanatics.

Apply the the above to the muslim fanatics. Not all muslims are fanatics I know - but not all jews are fanatics either.

I used to be a soldier and if they attacked me I'd shoot every single one of them that so much as moved towards me. The Israeli soldiers were obviously not expecting the violence as they board ships all the time.

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[ProudMarineDad]

A lot of the fundy TV preachers constantly preach that it's America's holy duty to protect the artificial Zionist occupier state Israel, they have lot's of believers in this, and alot of American Christians feel this way too.

Yes, I do but it is not from a TV preacher. I don't know of any TV preachers that I would follow.

[tom502]

I've tried to make the point that Jew does not equal Zionist, or vice versa. The Torah True Jews do not support Zionism, or Israel. Just see the jewsnotzionists website, and you can see why.

I do think they did want to challenge the blockade, obviously, and it has brought world attention to it. I also think, with military armed troops repelling down on those ships, they would expect to get attacked.

And if Germany did the Holocaust, why does Palestine have to pay for it?

[Frosted]

And if Germany did the Holocaust, why does Palestine have to pay for it?

Tom - jews ARE palestinians and the reason why Israel was formed as a state is because the Arabs wanted to slaughter them.

I can't keep saying this over and over again.

And another thing Tom - why are your police force armed? - Maybe the next time I'm in America and they want to stop me and ask me questions I should beat the absoloute f***ng shit out of him because he's armed.

[tom502]

I have read before the UN engraved out a land mass and called it Israel, the Jews and Arabs all lived together well.

[Frosted]

Where the hell did you read that?

So the war was just for a laugh?

[tom502]

I am not an Israeli history expert or buff, so I admit I don't know all the aspects, but wasn't the war during the enforcing of Israel onto Palestine, and their rejection of it, and then the Israelis killing them all off?

[Frosted]

Technically you're right Tom - it was the UN proposal which tipped everything over the edge. The Arabs started attacking the jews who were initially on the defensive - so in order to ensure their survival, war had to ensue.
Up to that point jews were attacked all the time. Jews and Arabs did live together but they never got on.

[Darwin]

"I am not an Israeli history expert or buff, so I admit I don't know all the aspects, but wasn't the war during the enforcing of Israel onto Palestine, and their rejection of it, and then the Israelis killing them all off?"

The Israelis were hardly "kiiling them all off". After the UN partition of Palestine, which merely recognized the situation on the ground, several Arab armies attacked and the Israelis fought them off with heavy casualties on both sides. The Arab armies were poorly led, even more poorly trained, and in general wildly inferior to the hastily organized Israeli defense forces. The civilian casualties caused directly by the Israelis were very light, a fraction of the vicious retribution of the arab armies, so were very far indeed from wholesale slaughter. And the Israelis did not force large numbers of arabs out of the country. They were encouraged to leave by arab propaganda and thousands did.

Some context regarding world opinion at the time of the partition is needed here. Hebrews had been in Palestine as long as the arabs, had in the early part of the 20th century carved out a functioning economic and cultural polity out of their little chunk of it, and after WWII had a great deal of sympathy from the Allied powers and many others due to the Holocaust. Additionally it was common knowledge at the time that most of the arab states had sided with the Nazis during the war so little sympathy was held for the fruits of their perfidies in this regard which included assasination, widespread collaboration with German forces in Africa, and occasional massacres of jewish settlers. So the small section of Palestine under jewish control enjoyed an underdog status that was well deserved and many in the west cheered them on as they fought off the far larger forces of arab countries that had been clear Nazi sympathizers.

The Israelis did not "steal" a chunk of Palestine--over time they bought various parcels from arab landowners who were in the main happy to sell what they considered to be worthless desert at the time--late 19th and early 20th century. When jewish immigrants, combined with their Palestinian born co-religionists, made the desert bloom with their labors with a subsequent increase in economic influence, the surrounding arab populations were jealous and covetous. There was a continuous low level war against jewish immigrants long before the war started and after the UN partition the arabs decided that all that developed productive land needed to be theirs. So they invaded and were soundly beaten once, twice, then thrice in real or threatened invasions right up to the Yom Kippur War of 1973. Egypt alone recognized that this lunacy should stop and signed a peace treaty with Israel which has held till today although it's been very shaky at times. The horrible mean "fascist" Israelis eventually returned the bulk of the Sinai desert they conquered in the Yom Kippur war at considerable cost and peril to themselves. Real fascists do not voluntarily return conquered lands.

It's a good idea to remember that the land area of Palestine, Jordan, Syria et.al has been contested bloodily for thousands of years and it looks to continue for a while. Israel is the only serious functioning democracy in the whole of the middle-east and the only one that, although nominally a jewish state, does not threaten, and massacre members of other religions in their own country. They are the only western style state in the region and are in about the toughest neighborhood on the planet for such a polity. Like any country they make mistakes that can be criticized but their founding is not one of them so the hatred and covetousness of the arabs about the land the Israelis "stole" is a product of Islamic religious propaganda, the actions self-interested rulers of surrounding countries, and outright historical revisionism. Tough neighborhood--tough jew bastards, mean even sometimes, and they have to be to keep from being annihilated. I'm not jewish, or religious at all, but I've admired the Israelis for a long time and this dust up in the Mediterranean won't change that.

[truthwolf1]