Aid ship attacked by Israeli soldiers

[truthwolf1]

Sure you do. Take the published amount of food that enters Gaza and divide that by the population of Gaza.

If the Hamas doesn't divide it up properly, well, that's what happens when you elect terrorists to run your country.

Although I agree this is true a large part of the world does not see it that way.

[tom502]

I thought 9/11 was a Mossad plot?

[LaZeR]

That sword cuts both ways. Maybe if we stopped propping up Israel, they'd stop crashing planes into buildings ;^)

Obama's implementing this strategy. Time will tell if it works or not. A very dangerous game IMHO. We'll see...

[sgreger1]

They are not starving, they are allowing humanitarian aid in and have been for some time, they are limiting what can be brought however, but are not starving anyone. Plus, Gaza does alright, see the below stats:


Gaza:

population | 1.55 million people (world rank: 150th)
population growth | 3.35% per year (world rank: 13th)
life expectancy | 73.4 years (world rank: 111th)
median age | 17.4 years (world rank: 211th)

ethnic mix | Palestinian Arab (99.4%) | Jewish (0.6%)
literacy fraction | 92.4%

city | population
Gaza, Gaza Strip | 483869

GDP | $768 million per year (world rank: 201st)
GDP at parity | $11.95 billion per year (2008) (world rank: 140th)
GDP per capita | $ 2900 per personper year (2008) (world rank: 147th)
inflation rate | 3.6%per year (world rank: 155th)
unemployment rate | 41.3% (2008) (world rank: 13th)


annual births | 59000 people per year (world rank: 124th)
annual deaths | 5642 people per year (world rank: 158th)



So we have a few million literate people with inflation similar to that of the USD, have a high life expectancy rate and are giving birth to more than are dying by a long shot (59000-5642 = 53,358 new people each year who will live untill the next year). Their real proble is almost half the population is unemployed since the median age is 17, half of em are kids. Naturally a bunch of poor unemployed youth is breeding grounds for terrorist recruiting.






Then:

Hezbollah promotes itself through 'jihadi tourism'

SOJOD, Lebanon - The students clapped and cheered as a Hezbollah fighter perched on a rocket launcher paraded past. Later, they snapped photographs with guerrila fighters, getting a firsthand account of the group's tactics against Israel on the battlefield.

Excursions like the one more than 400 Lebanese university students took Saturday to a Hezbollah stronghold in south Lebanon are part of the militant group's push to promote itself through "jihadi tourism" to mark the 10th anniversary of Israel's withdrawal from southern Lebanon. The efforts also include a sprawling new war museum touting Hezbollah's history.

"We are bringing students to the area previously occupied by Israel, to show them how the resistance, with its meager capabilities, was able to defeat the strongest army in the world," said Jihad Hammoud, one of the organizers of the student tours.

A U.N. deal to end the 2006 war between Israel and the Shiite militants required Hezbollah to disarm, but Lebanon's politicians have been unable to agree on a national defense strategy that would integrate the group's weapons into the regular armed forces.

On Saturday, some 450 students — both Christian and Muslim — from the Lebanese American University took part in a visit dubbed "the dignity trip" to Hezbollah strongholds in south Lebanon.

At the site, the students were led through the rough, rocky terrain to a spot that Hezbollah officials said was where Hadi Nasrallah, the son of Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah, was killed while conducting a guerrilla raid on Israeli positions in 1997.

"This is the spot where he was martyred," explained a Hezbollah tour guide, pointing to a blue prayer mat on a mound of earth hidden amid trees. The students mingled and snapped photographs with Hezbollah fighters, who asked that no pictures of their faces be taken.

Hezbollah has said the group now has rockets that can strike deeper than ever inside Israel, including Tel Aviv.

"We hope this tourist jihadi center will be a first step toward preserving the history of our heroic resistance," Nasrallah told supporters via video link at Friday's inauguration of the Mlita museum.

"Everywhere you go there is a Holocaust museum, regardless of (the Holocaust's) authenticity, accuracy or magnitude," he said.
The sprawling Mlita complex — 60,000 square meters — includes a gallery, caves and a 250-meter-long downhill terrain that features life size replicas of Hezbollah guerrillas simulating fighting with Israel on the battlefield and in underground tunnels.



The students cheered as an anti-aircraft gunner and a katyusha rocket launcher used to fight Israel were paraded past, while speakers belted out excerpts of Nasrallah speeches.

[sgreger1]

That sword cuts both ways. Maybe if we stopped propping up Israel, they'd stop crashing planes into buildings ;^)

How can you compare providing financial support to an ally with terrorist attacks against innocents? One is accepted and routine, the other is just ignorance turned violent.

This is what i'm talking about, in the US we would sooner say "stop giving money to our firends" before we say "stop killing innocents". Like if illegals started blowing up buildings should we then say "well maybe we shouldn't have immegration rules then and perhaps tehy would stop bombing buildings". I don't get this train of logic.

I love how if they crash a plane into two buildings, killing thousands of unarmed civilians, it's cause to rejoice, yet when a bunch of protestors running a military checkpoint in gaza get shot for attacking soldiers, it is a crime against humanity. Think about what side you people are choosing here.

[truthwolf1]

I thought 9/11 was a Mossad plot?

It very likely was a mix from the shadows of mainly military industrial complex/Mossad/Saudis/Pakistanis and the 19 hijacker patsies.

Will not know for sure unless there is ever a real investigation.

[lxskllr]

How can you compare providing financial support to an ally with terrorist attacks against innocents? One is accepted and routine, the other is just ignorance turned violent.

This is what i'm talking about, in the US we would sooner say "stop giving money to our firends" before we say "stop killing innocents". Like if illegals started blowing up buildings should we then say "well maybe we shouldn't have immegration rules then and perhaps tehy would stop bombing buildings". I don't get this train of logic.

I love how if they crash a plane into two buildings, killing thousands of unarmed civilians, it's cause to rejoice, yet when a bunch of protestors running a military checkpoint in gaza get shot for attacking soldiers, it is a crime against humanity. Think about what side you people are choosing here.

Because it's like me giving the Mexicans your neighborhood(since they have historical ties there), arming them mortars, grenades, a few tanks, some assault rifles, and a couple of helicopters, while you have your father's old Remington 870 to fight with. In addition to the Mexicans living in your neighborhood, they also forbid you from going to the store after dark, burn your backyard garden, and live in your shed. When you try to remove them from your shed(with your trusty old 870), the cavalry in the helicopter pushes you back in your house.

Israel has an unnatural strength over there. The Arabs aren't fighting Israel. They're fighting the USA via proxy. Are you really surprised when they say "screw the proxy", and go for the direct connection?

[sgreger1]

Because it's like me giving the Mexicans your neighborhood(since they have historical ties there), arming them mortars, grenades, a few tanks, some assault rifles, and a couple of helicopters, while you have your father's old Remington 870 to fight with. In addition to the Mexicans living in your neighborhood, they also forbid you from going to the store after dark, burn your backyard garden, and live in your shed. When you try to remove them from your shed(with your trusty old 870), the cavalry in the helicopter pushes you back in your house.

I always heard mexicans were dicks but damn.

[sgreger1]

Sarah Palin aide Fred Malek helped former President Richard Nixon dump Jews from government



Nixon aide Fred Malek's role as what Democrats call a "Jew counter" for the disgraced President was already well known, and he has spent decades apologizing for activities that later cost him a Republican National Committee job in the 1980s. But he remains a prominent GOP powerbroker.

"The government is full of Jews," Nixon griped to chief aide H.R. Haldeman in a July 1971 Oval Office recording released by the University of Virginia's Miller Center on Thursday. "Most Jews are disloyal."

The Republican President, who resigned amid the Watergate scandal in 1974, said he wanted Malek in charge of cleaning Jews out of "any sensitive areas."

"We've got to get a man in charge who is not Jewish to control the Jewish - do you understand?" Nixon said.

"I sure do," Haldeman answered.

Ultimately, Malek turned over a list of more than a dozen Jews in the Bureau of Labor Statistics, files show. Most were fired.







^^^------ But surely jews run the government.

[Darwin]

If the real issue here was to alleviate the alleged starvation of Palestinians it would be easy enough to trans-ship foodstuffs through Syria, Jordan or Egypt. Clearly the flotillia was a PR move by those sympathetic to the Palestinians and confrontation with the IDF was the object of the exercise. Heck Egypt could feed every Palestinian for a few million internationally donated bucks but they choose not to do so because they know it's not really necessary. In fact Egypt has had in place until recently a blockade on un-inspected shipments into Gaza for the same reason as the Israelis insist on inspection--weapon smuggling. They've removed that blockade in order to take temporary advantage of the bad press Israel is getting but as soon as weapons start moving across the border again, as they most certainly will, it will likely be put back in place. Even the Syrians and Jordanians are rather less than eager to have weaponry move through their borders but inspected food shipments would prove no problem. All states, democratic, authoritarian or otherwise are not keen to have unauthorized loads of weaponry sloshing about their environs. Authorized weapons are another matter and Syria is hardly without culpability but Eygpt finally decided to stop being played for suckers by Hamas and clamped down.

[sgreger1]

If the real issue here was to alleviate the alleged starvation of Palestinians it would be easy enough to trans-ship foodstuffs through Syria, Jordan or Egypt. Clearly the flotillia was a PR move by those sympathetic to the Palestinians and confrontation with the IDF was the object of the exercise. Heck Egypt could feed every Palestinian for a few million internationally donated bucks but they choose not to do so because they know it's not really necessary. In fact Egypt has had in place until recently a blockade on un-inspected shipments into Gaza for the same reason as the Israelis insist on inspection--weapon smuggling. They've removed that blockade in order to take temporary advantage of the bad press Israel is getting but as soon as weapons start moving across the border again, as they most certainly will, it will likely be put back in place. Even the Syrians and Jordanians are rather less than eager to have weaponry move through their borders but inspected food shipments would prove no problem. All states, democratic, authoritarian or otherwise are not keen to have unauthorized loads of weaponry sloshing about their environs. Authorized weapons are another matter and Syria is hardly without culpability but Eygpt finally decided to stop being played for suckers by Hamas and clamped down.

That's exactly right, they share borders with Egypt and could easly get goods through there. Everyone wants to defend Gaza but a bunch of criminals run that place and several border nations have had trouble with this and have blockaded them at one time or another, israel is just doing what everyone else is doing but they get hated because they are jews. Oh sorry, not because they're jews, but because they are "Zionists" (which is a fancy word for jews).

[bipolarbear1968]

I have to hand it to you, sgreger1. You've pretty much nailed it each time.

[lxskllr]

"Zionists" (which is a fancy word for jews).

They aren't the same at all. A Zionist is someone who demands land because a sky fairy said it belongs to them. A Jew's a Jew. Religion isn't a base for reality AFAIC.

[Darwin]

In that case Israelis are in no way Zionists because instead of invoking sky fairies they've fought and bled gallons for every square foot represented by their country. We may have spent a lot of money on them but they've done the fighting and dying themselves. And speaking of money it is instructive to remember that in the three main Israeli/arab wars the arabs had their own arms and equipment sugardaddy in the form of the Soviets who lavished hardware and funds on them only to see it smashed to bits as a result of lousy military leadership and poorly trained forces who were great at ululating curses at the Israelis but not so hot at killing them.. Training, guts, and smarts won those wars not cash.

[bipolarbear1968]

I don't think Zionists believe in "sky fairy".