ICE does immegration raid on BP oil workers!

[sgreger1]

LOLOLOL. Okay, so the feds have been raiding the oil clean up working to check for immegration status.

http://motherjones.com/rights-stuff/...-spill-workers

2 trains of thought on this:

1) Objective is to clean up oil, it's stupid to be delaying that by kicking out illegals
2) The local economy has been wrecked by this spill, so the feds are doing the right thing by making sure local citizens get those jobs.

Which side do you subscribe to, or do you have another view? Either way the timing and hilariousness of this is unmistakeable.


But it gets better:

there are only 60 workers cleaning up Elmer's Island, Louisiana, a wildlife refuge inundated by crude, and many are already disgruntled about being mistreated or not getting paid. Then, last week, they were required to undergo drug testing. According to workers based on the island, out of the first 50 employees tested, 46 failed and 2 refused, resulting in 48 firings in one day.


LOOLLOLOLOLLLO

[tom502]

It's so dumb it's unbelieveable.

[Roo]

Well oh, snap. Look who's gained another perspective on the immigration issue.

[timholian]

Yeah, I am sure there are hundreds of Americans wanting those jobs.

Irony is its own reward.

Nice catch btw, thanks.

[NonServiam]

I know that lately some round up's have been done under the guise of an "immigration check", when in all actuality they are targeting murderers, cartels, etc... who happen to be here illegaly. Still though, bad timing. Keep tabs on them while they fix the leak first then hook em'

[sgreger1]

Yeah, I am sure there are hundreds of Americans wanting those jobs.

Irony is its own reward.

Nice catch btw, thanks.

Are you sure about that statement? You mean like the hundreds of americans that did want those jobs and are now employed in those jobs? A lot of fishermen and the likes are unemployed now because of this, so yes they certainly want the jobs. Not sure why people seem to think American's won't do any job lower than nuclear physicist or something.


I'm appauled at how they are firing people en masse for smoking pot. The fumes from the chemicals is worse for you than that lol. Idiots. I think they are trying to botch this thing.

Not News: Oil leak in the Gulf. News: There are three leaks. Fark: Obama knew about it and let BP cover it up

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/bp-fed...ry?id=10819367

Meanwhile:

Obama Says To BP "I want to know Whose Ass to Kick"

But nothing will happen because:

Obama admin gave safety award last year to BP
And the owner of Rahm Emanuel's conveniently rent-free DC apartment? A BP adviser.
Obama is biggest recipient of BP’s political action cash in the last 20 years



@ Roo, were you talking about me or you gaining perspective?

[Roo]

@ Roo, were you talking about me or you gaining perspective?

You, or so it seemed. Maybe I'm wrong, but I had the impression you saw some merit in not hassling undocumented workers about their immigration status because the work they are doing is important.

[sgreger1]

You, or so it seemed. Maybe I'm wrong, but I had the impression you saw some merit in not hassling undocumented workers about their immigration status because the work they are doing is important.

Lol, no unfortunately. I mean it does seem silly. OF ALL THE MILLIONS OF JOBS ILLEGALS TAKE, why would they suddenly target the oil workers? It's a publicity stunt by the admin and nothing less. Trying to portray illegals as helpers and trying to make it look like they are being tough on immegration in the process. Win/win

My stance is that the local economy has been wrecked down there and American citizens, including immegrant citizens, are out of work and could use the 12$ an hour cleanup jobs. Would you disagree?

[justintempler]

Those jobs should be going to Americans.

http://www.thepoliticalcarnival.net/...-this-country/

"..And they’re bringing in Mexican workers so they can pay sub normal salaries, with no hospitalization coverage, and then they can send them back to Mexico.
They’re importing people from Mexico, or at least rounding them up all over the country.
Just bring ‘em in here to do the dirty work that nobody else will do. They don’t want Americans to do it, because they know they can get rid of the Mexicans should they become ill..."

[sgreger1]

The real American way, as justin mentioned, would be to hire only illegals, pay them 3$ an hour as opposed to 12, have no workers comp insurance on them in case they get hurt, than after the job is done, call ICE on them so they get deported before you have to pay them at all.

Bonus: They will all get sick from the chemicals and then after being deported you don't owe them shit for medical bills.


Better yet, let's hire criminals instead:

Officials: criminals being used in oil spill cleanup

[timholian]

Are you sure about that statement? You mean like the hundreds of americans that did want those jobs and are now employed in those jobs? A lot of fishermen and the likes are unemployed now because of this, so yes they certainly want the jobs. Not sure why people seem to think American's won't do any job lower than nuclear physicist or something.


I'm appauled at how they are firing people en masse for smoking pot. The fumes from the chemicals is worse for you than that lol. Idiots. I think they are trying to botch this thing.

ummm yeah, I stand by my statement.... to clarify I was talking about BEACH workers. Let me know when you hear someone you know that doesn't have a job say they want that nice cozy beach clean up job. Come on, man... for real? What do you do for a job? I betcha don't have a job like beach clean up. There are plenty of people that will work at "dirty jobs" but I bet you they pay them A LOT more than they are willing to pay these beach workers.

You wanna rethink that statement?? LMAO *givin ya shit is all.

PS. If we really want clean energy, we need to hop on that nuclear power boat!

[Roo]

No sgreger, I definitely do not disagree. I was just flipping you shit for posting something even remotely pro-undocumented labor.

[sgreger1]

ummm yeah, I stand by my statement.... to clarify I was talking about BEACH workers. Let me know when you hear someone you know that doesn't have a job say they want that nice cozy beach clean up job. Come on, man... for real? What do you do for a job? I betcha don't have a job like beach clean up. There are plenty of people that will work at "dirty jobs" but I bet you they pay them A LOT more than they are willing to pay these beach workers.

You wanna rethink that statement?? LMAO *givin ya shit is all.

PS. If we really want clean energy, we need to hop on that nuclear power boat!

You are going on the assumption that americans won't do those jobs, i'm arguing on behalf of the fact that AMERICANS ARE DOING THOSE JOBS EN MASSE, and only 10 illegals have been cited out of the hundreds and hundreds of cleanup workers. So, aside from those 10 guys who were illegal, who do you think the other people are (legal perhaps?).

I will not retract my statement because the numbers are already there, nearly all of the oil cleanup workers are legal american citizens, therefore your claim that american's won't do these jobs is invalidated on the spot. They are paying 12$ an hour, for someone in florida who has been unemployed, that is a decent wage (compared to unemployment check). What do you not get?

To do the beach cleanup you must be hazmat trained (but surely, american's wouldn't work hazmat jobs, right?).

Here is a list of all the jobs Americans are gaining from this spill:

http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2010/05...l-spill-jobs/4




EDIT: My line of work is at an insurance company. If I were unemployed, I would surely do beach cleanup for 12$ an hour, it's a better job than I could probably find out here. I have done way suckier jobs before for less money.




Also, shouldn't the state be directing anyone and everyone who was sentenced to community service to be out there helping?

[justintempler]

The real American way, as justin mentioned, would be to hire only illegals, pay them 3$ an hour as opposed to 12, have no workers comp insurance on them in case they get hurt, than after the job is done, call ICE on them so they get deported before you have to pay them at all.

Bonus: They will all get sick from the chemicals and then after being deported you don't owe them shit for medical bills.

That's not what I call the American way, That's what I call the greedy corporate way. That's the same reason corporations ship jobs to China, for the lowest cost and then everybody cries there are no jobs.

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[timholian]

You are going on the assumption that americans won't do those jobs, i'm arguing on behalf of the fact that AMERICANS ARE DOING THOSE JOBS EN MASSE, and only 10 illegals have been cited out of the hundreds and hundreds of cleanup workers. So, aside from those 10 guys who were illegal, who do you think the other people are (legal perhaps?).

I will not retract my statement because the numbers are already there, nearly all of the oil cleanup workers are legal american citizens, therefore your claim that american's won't do these jobs is invalidated on the spot. They are paying 12$ an hour, for someone in florida who has been unemployed, that is a decent wage (compared to unemployment check). What do you not get?

To do the beach cleanup you must be hazmat trained (but surely, american's wouldn't work hazmat jobs, right?).

Here is a list of all the jobs Americans are gaining from this spill:

http://jobs.aol.com/articles/2010/05...l-spill-jobs/4




EDIT: My line of work is at an insurance company. If I were unemployed, I would surely do beach cleanup for 12$ an hour, it's a better job than I could probably find out here. I have done way suckier jobs before for less money.




Also, shouldn't the state be directing anyone and everyone who was sentenced to community service to be out there helping?

First of all, take a breath. LOL
My "do you want to rethink that statement was about the pot smoker comment. I tried to link the two by putting both in bold. You contradict yourself i think. you applaud them then call them idiots.(them is BP)
Second, if its only 10 illegals, whats your point in the first place?
Third, you yourself admitted in the OP that they were treating the workers like shit and not paying them, why in the hell would you want to go work down there?

And you mention in another post here "OF ALL THE MILLIONS OF JOBS ILLEGALS TAKE" yet if you really think about it some if not all the jobs illegals take are jobs mostly done by teenagers. i dont know about you but a job as a teen isn't as important as a grown American's job. Yet we never bring up all the jobs that illegals create. Do they not eat, wear clothing, pay rent, use consumer goods? I think one of the things most people forget is that America became rich partly through slave labor. The richest countries in the world all used slave labor at some point in their history, how is cheap labor hurting our economy now?

I agree that illegals are ILLEGAL but I dont see where all the hostility comes from in most cases. I guess it is easier to hate someone than try to understand them.

Just my opinion. Flame away.