ICE does immegration raid on BP oil workers!

[Snusdog]

Also, shouldn't the state be directing anyone and everyone who was sentenced to community service to be out there helping?

That's really a good idea.....................which is almost a guarantee it will never happen


Beyond all the politicizing this whole thing is absolutely heart breaking when you think about the damage that is being done

[tom502]

Illegals "do" the jobs many Americans won't, because they pay them under wages that only illegals would accept.

[sgreger1]

First of all, take a breath. LOL
My "do you want to rethink that statement was about the pot smoker comment. I tried to link the two by putting both in bold. You contradict yourself i think. you applaud them then call them idiots.(them is BP)
Second, if its only 10 illegals, whats your point in the first place?
Third, you yourself admitted in the OP that they were treating the workers like shit and not paying them, why in the hell would you want to go work down there?

And you mention in another post here "OF ALL THE MILLIONS OF JOBS ILLEGALS TAKE" yet if you really think about it some if not all the jobs illegals take are jobs mostly done by teenagers. i dont know about you but a job as a teen isn't as important as a grown American's job. Yet we never bring up all the jobs that illegals create. Do they not eat, wear clothing, pay rent, use consumer goods? I think one of the things most people forget is that America became rich partly through slave labor. The richest countries in the world all used slave labor at some point in their history, how is cheap labor hurting our economy now?

I agree that illegals are ILLEGAL but I dont see where all the hostility comes from in most cases. I guess it is easier to hate someone than try to understand them.

Just my opinion. Flame away.

I said it was stupid to fire them for smoking pot. Who am I applauding, BP? How have I in any way applauded anything they have done? It is 10 illegals and my point is how it's funny how they decide to finally start checking illegals ID's but only on a few, just enough to spark controversy about it at a time when it's a hot subject.

The point is, you claimed americans wouldn't work those jobs, and I proved that american in fact would work those jobs and are currently working those jobs, so not sure how you still think your correct.

*takes breath*

I know most jobs illegals take are mainly teen jobs, teen jobs are extremely important since it allows our youth to learn how to work, gives them money to pay for college or whatever they spend it on, and is a stepping stone for future advancement in their careers. I understand they pay sales tax, but I have kids and think it's important to teach work ethics from a young age.

Secondly, as I have mentioned before, I have illegals in my immediate family, I do not hate illegals as I understand why they do what they do, they come from poor places and need money, america has jobs and opportunity. That's why I advocate that we reform the immigration system to make it easier to come here legally, then really crack down on any illegal immigrants. That way we can filter out who's here for work and who's a criminal (by doing background checks for example). This is similar to what Obama has proposed in his immigration reform. So I don't hate those who come here with visas and overstay their visa or anything, I do however hate criminals of all sorts (all immigration statuses). It's not that I don't want to understand them, I understand them very well, my wife comes from a dirt poor country where they had to tailor together the equivalent of potato sacks just so they could fashion together some rags that pass as clothes. They came, worked, and after a great struggle opened a business and are pretty well off now. They did not spend their lives blaming white people or hating America, they just came and did what we all do, try to get by. I think everyone should have the opportunity to come here for work, but they need to be legal so they don't get abused by our corporations, because by them working for less money, it destroys the whole wage system and the labor pool in general.


"Third, you yourself admitted in the OP that they were treating the workers like shit and not paying them, why in the hell would you want to go work down there?"

I didn't say they treat them like shit and don't pay them. I said they started drug testing and everyone was on drugs, I then said it was stupid to fire them. If I were to be working there however, I would be fine since I do not do drugs.

[timholian]

sgreger1, I just read an article that said they are paying beach cleaners $18 an hour, without benifits but still.... that a alright wage. At that price I have not doubt there are Americans that want those jobs, hell I'd do it on my days off.

AndBP is having to give hazmat cert. classes to the majority of its beach workers..... so, I am guessing not many Americans were hazmat certified either, not just the 10 little illegals.

I say just clean it up... I dont give a shit how, just get it done.

[sgreger1]

That's not what I call the American way, That's what I call the greedy corporate way. That's the same reason corporations ship jobs to China, for the lowest cost and then everybody cries there are no jobs.

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Lol obviously it was sarcasm, but your disconnect is that you don't realize the American way has become the greedy corporate way. So what I described is how we like to do business now.

[sgreger1]

sgreger1, I just read an article that said they are paying beach cleaners $18 an hour, without benifits but still.... that a alright wage. At that price I have not doubt there are Americans that want those jobs, hell I'd do it on my days off.

AndBP is having to give hazmat cert. classes to the majority of its beach workers..... so, I am guessing not many Americans were hazmat certified either, not just the 10 little illegals.

I say just clean it up... I dont give a shit how, just get it done.

Yah I read 12 but im sure it varies, there are different kinds of cleanup. $18 bucks ain't bad, i'd throw in some hours if I were down there, plus you get free hazmat training which can lead to a good career in other industries. But, just to be a cocky asshole, I must point out that I was right in saying americans would do "those dirty beach jobs" lololol. Okay i'm done being a dick. Back to my family.

[timholian]

But it gets better:

there are only 60 workers cleaning up Elmer's Island, Louisiana, a wildlife refuge inundated by crude, and many are already disgruntled about being mistreated or not getting paid. Then, last week, they were required to undergo drug testing. According to workers based on the island, out of the first 50 employees tested, 46 failed and 2 refused, resulting in 48 firings in one day.


LOOLLOLOLOLLLO

What about that statement doesn't imply being treated like shit and not being paid?

[timholian]

Yah I read 12 but im sure it varies, there are different kinds of cleanup. $18 bucks ain't bad, i'd throw in some hours if I were down there, plus you get free hazmat training which can lead to a good career in other industries. But, just to be a cocky asshole, I must point out that I was right in saying americans would do "those dirty beach jobs" lololol. Okay i'm done being a dick. Back to my family.

And I must point out I said Americans would do those jobs for more money, I just didn't research how much they made before I said it. LOL

[sgreger1]

What about that statement doesn't imply being treated like shit and not being paid?

Sorry, that quote was specific to the workers in Elmer's Island, LA, I hadn't read about anyone not getting paid anywhere else so I overlooked that part of my post, you were right. I did see another thing where it said it was the chillest job of the century, they were interviewing workers and they said they got to walk up and down the beaches and look up women, and occasionally picking up some tarballs, and they take lunch from 10- 1:30 or some shit. I dunno, it's irrelevant anyways, i'm just glad someone is working to clean this shit up.


Meanwhile, I hope BP turns out like texaco and files for chapter 11. There is a cap but if they are found to have violated safety protocol than there is no cap. And I think ICE is stupid for making a publicity stunt out of some illegals, of all the places to raid why the ones cleaning up an oil spill? We are governed by morons.

[NJdrew]

Drug testing for safety purposes is good.
Enforcing immigration laws is good.
Doing it in the middle of a disaster is ****ing stupid!