Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Unemployment Benefits-Welfare Recipients

[Joe234]

I'm not too worried about this testing being implemented.

I am against it in principle though it wouldn't affect me.

Many people beat urine tests daily by substituting someone
else's clean urine.

The only place this is not possible is a visit to a Parole or Probation Officer.
Unless they start strip searches at your place of employment.


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[Joe234]

Joe, coke stays in your system for a long time if you are a regular user. It is normally onl 1-3 days but if you are a consistent user it can last up to 19 days. I don't care what nonesense you spew, because I have tested positive for coke after that period of time, so I know it's real. There are many places on the web that will also confirm that.


Of course you don't care if they are private companies because you are an anti-libertarian. you don't believe in any individual rights or the rights of businesses to partake in the free market.

Why would they test for snus or alcohol, those are legal. The fact you are putting crack heroin and meth in the same field as snus shows me just how out of touch with reality you are. We obviousely can't force them to not use our tax money on things that are legal. And at least if they buy legal things it stays in our economy, unlike when you buy drugs from mexico.



The point is, you don't know anything about america, what it stands for, or where it came from. Businesses are private entities that may choose who they want to employ. There are protected classes of people, which means you cant discriminate based on race, sex, religion etc. However, crackhead is not a protected class at this time.

nonsense

[Joe234]

Joe, coke stays in your system for a long time if you are a regular user. It is normally onl 1-3 days but if you are a consistent user it can last up to 19 days. I don't care what nonesense you spew, because I have tested positive for coke after that period of time, so I know it's real. There are many places on the web that will also confirm that.

Their are many places on the web the claim all sorts of stuff.

You're the first I ever heard of that made this claim. And I've seen people in treatment
and the criminal justice system. No one believes this. Because you claim it does not make it true.
The only drugs detectable 30-60 days are benzos and weed. With weed it's the metabolites that
are present not any THC.

Cocaine metabolites.....detectable in the urine for as long as 48-96 hours post ingestion

Redwood labs is used by the criminal justice system and drug and alcohol treatment
centers.


Redwood Toxicology Laboratory: Drug Testing Lab & Substance Abuse Screening Devices
Click Here
http://www.redwoodtoxicology.com/
Cocaine Metabolism

After smoking, cocaine is rapidly absorbed with peak plasma concentrations occurring at about 5 minutes, versus 30-40 minutes following intranasal ingestion. Cocaine is extensively metabolized by the liver and blood enzymes with approximately one percent of the dose excreted in the urine unchanged. The major metabolite found in the urine is benzoylecgonine (25-40% of the dose), followed by ecgonine methyl ester (18-22%). Depending upon the dosage ingested, frequency of use, and metabolic variation, benzoylecgonine can remain detectable in the urine for as long as 48-96 hours post ingestion.

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If you tested positve for cocaine 19 days after use you either had a false positive or
you were set up. False positives do happen. That's another thing to consider with
drug testing. False postives.

[sgreger1]

Joe, it doesn't really matter because it's the internet, but I swear on my entire snuson reputation to the fact that you can pop hot for coke after 3 days. It can last up to 19 days. I wish I could stress how true this is but it's not something I want to get into.

Either way, you can get around drug tests through fake pee or just using clean pee, so your right, it would be hard to enforce. I am just saying in principal people taking free money from people who got it stole from them by robin hood (feds) should be drug tested. The practicality of that happening is a different topic.

Joe, PM me if you don't think you can't piss hot for coke after a week or two, i seriously put my reputation (whatever that means) on the fact that you can piss hot after the 3 day period. Metabolites stay in your body. Like weed, if you smoke a single joint, you could get away with 7 days (or less), but if you smoke more consistently you can expect it to stay for 30 days (sometimes longer than that).


Joe I feel your libertarian point of view that anyone asking you to piss in a cup is fascist, but we must allow private businesses or those asking for free money to be subject to this. Think about it, if you start a company, do you want big gov saying that you are required to hire anyone no mater what, even if they are a crackhead? Can you sleep at night knowing millions of people are smoking crack tonight on your dollar?

Im just saying if we are going to be more fiscally minded, we need to think of common sense ways to cut down the budget. Not subsidizing joe-ghetto's crack habit is one good way.

Look guys, I feel you on the whole "being poor or born into the ghetto is not your fault" thing. I can deeply empathize with this. But I have just witnessed in my life SO many times where it seems like most of the people around me are blatantly gaming the system.


Joe, i'm sorry bro, weed is cool and I agree it needs to be legal, but you obviously have never actually done any hard drugs because you seem to buy into the populist belief that coke leaves the body in 3 days and that nothing shows up but weed on drug tests. I'm sorry but it just isn't true.

[Joe234]

Joe, it doesn't really matter because it's the internet, but I swear on my entire snuson reputation to the fact that you can pop hot for coke after 3 days. It can last up to 19 days.

Impossible to test at 19 days, nearly 5 times past the cut off detection time of 4 days.

Redwood Toxicology Laboratory: Drug Testing Lab & Substance Abuse Screening Devices
Cocaine Info Click Here

Opiates may be detected in urine for 2-4 days following ingestion.

Cocaine can remain detectable in the urine for as long as 48-96 hours post ingestion.

Marijuana
THC Retention Time

• Infrequent (less than twice/week) Smoking: When screening assays of 50 ng/mL or greater are used, urine samples will generally be positive for 1-3 days.
• Regular (several times per week) Smoking: May result in urine specimens testing positive for 7-21 days.
• Chronic (daily) Smoking: An individual who smokes marijuana daily for prolonged periods of time can test positive for 30 days or longer.

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[sgreger1]

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[tom502]

All I know, is my local ghetto has 3 liquor stores across the street from it, and people will be out there walking around with brown bags in their hands at 8am in the morning. So, they must be getting cash somehow. I should take pictures of it all, and send them to N.Korea.

[shikitohno]

Joe, straight from wiki: "Benzoylecgonine is the compound tested for in most substantive cocaine urinalyses. It can be found in the urine for considerably longer than the cocaine itself which is generally cleared out within 5 days. It is formed in the liver by the metabolism of cocaine.." Yes, the coke and the heroin are out of your system that fast, but metabolites can linger for a long time. You ever wonder why junkies still can't take a shit days or weeks after they stopped shooting up?

Evidence, evidence, and more evidence that you're talking out of your ass and sgreger1 knows what he's talking about. Sorry, Joe, but you lose. Those test periods you refer to are all well and reliable for occasional use, but when you're talking about long-term, regular use, you are totally wrong about this.

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[Owens187]

Pwned.

[Joe234]

Joe, straight from wiki: "Benzoylecgonine is the compound tested for in most substantive cocaine urinalyses. It can be found in the urine for considerably longer than the cocaine itself which is generally cleared out within 5 days. It is formed in the liver by the metabolism of cocaine.." Yes, the coke and the heroin are out of your system that fast, but metabolites can linger for a long time. You ever wonder why junkies still can't take a shit days or weeks after they stopped shooting up?

Evidence, evidence, and more evidence that you're talking out of your ass and sgreger1 knows what he's talking about. Sorry, Joe, but you lose. Those test periods you refer to are all well and reliable for occasional use, but when you're talking about long-term, regular use, you are totally wrong about this.

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You give no timeline here. And if you look at Redwood Labs it refers to Benzoylecgonine being gone in 48-96 hours.
You should know Wiki is not considered a reliable reference source.

http://www.redwoodtoxicology.com/res...o/cocaine.html

benzoylecgonine can remain detectable in the urine for as long as 48-96 hours post ingestion
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You are talking out of your ass.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...rce.html?cat=9
I will presume that most people are familiar with Wikipedia. It describes itself as "an online free-content encyclopedia that anyone can edit", which I translate to mean that anyone can cite one's self as an authority
on any and everything.

The co-founder, Jimmy Wales, describes Wikipedia as "an effort to create and distribute a multilingual free encyclopedia of the highest quality to every single person on the planet in his or her own language." Wikipedia exists to bring knowledge to everyone who seeks it".

Clearly Wikipedia and it's plethora of contributors are sincere and well-meaning, however characterizing all contibuted information as factual is unrealistic and in many cases patently false. Perhaps it would be more apt for Mr. Wales to describe Wikipedia as a great encyclopedia of an accumulation of biased opinions. For that, it is most definitely of the highest quality.

A good example of how Wikipedia is misused quite often appears on LiveLeak, a website where you will find videos on politics, religion and other controversial and thought provoking topics. Many of the videos on one or more of those subjects will from time to time elicit a counter-comment that is rife with allegations and/or accusations that has been referenced from content found on Wikipedia. When further researched using a plethora of well-established reliable sources, the information was found to be conveniently fabricated.

Considering that anyone with an ideological axe to grind and a smattering of writing ability can spin falsehoods on Wikipedia without challenge from the site's editors, clearly it should not be referenced as a valid source for factual information.

[sgreger1]

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[Joe234]

I don't care what red labs says. I know my experience and I know others experience as well. Right now your commentary is about as reliable as wikipedia.

OK in general it's known that weed stays in the system longer than heroin, coke and speed.
Haven't you encountered junkies who do dope on Parole/Probation but will not touch pot?

[shikitohno]

Joe, the wiki quote is substantiated in the other links as well as in other sources. Wikipedia isn't terribly accurate, but when it states something that coincides with numerous other sources, it tends to be right. I still say you're missing the point of long term use and the impact it has one how long you'll test for. To give some different sources the NIH and the Office of National Drug Control Policy. As you can see on page 16 of the PDF, purity of street cocaine stayed around 65-75% for a five year period not too long ago, so I think it's a safe assumption to estimate saying 70% would be about normal now. In the first link, the National Institute of Health states that 10-45mg doses of cocaine delivered via a variety of methods extended detection time to 98hours. Most cokeheads use a hell of a lot more than 45mg, though. 3.5g can be a one night supply. At about 70% purity, this amounts to 245mg of coke, or almost 5.5 times the dosage that kept you testing positive 98 hours later. Now multiply that by say, four times a week or so, for a number of weeks. The guys doing that (cokeheads who can afford to buy coke, which is most of them when they start) are going to test positive way longer than the guy who does coke once or twice a month. And junkies are a bad example for you to use. Aside from the fact that toxic metabolites will build up in your system when you shoot up for extended periods of time and you will test positive for a fair bit of time longer than most, junkies are not generally known for caring what happens once they are messed up or for making logical decisions.

[truthwolf1]

Dont hair samples give you more information then a urine test? I heard rumors of people shaving their entire body for some state/federal jobs.

[timholian]

I am waiting for the time when they start to drug test for Drivers License or for a Home loan/Business loan.