Orrin Hatch Calls For Drug Testing Unemployment Benefits-Welfare Recipients

[timholian]

Dont hair samples give you more information then a urine test? I heard rumors of people shaving their entire body for some state/federal jobs.

Yes, but shaving will do nothing but show guilt... there are shampoos but the follicle tells all.

[truthwolf1]

I am waiting for the time when they start to drug test for Drivers License or for a Home loan/Business loan.

AUto/Home Insurance Rapists would love to get on this kind of action.

[timholian]

AUto/Home Insurance Rapists would love to get on this kind of action.

Wow, good one. Bad, but nice catch.

[danielan]

Yes, but shaving will do nothing but show guilt... there are shampoos but the follicle tells all.

So, what you are saying is that you should "epilate" your entire body? Ouch.

Maybe it would be easier to just not do drugs?

[sgreger1]

OK in general it's known that weed stays in the system longer than heroin, coke and speed.
Haven't you encountered junkies who do dope on Parole/Probation but will not touch pot?

Yes, Marijuana stays in the sustem the longest. They say 30 days but I know dudes that have gotten popped after almost 2 months. I'm not contesting that weed stays the longest, i'm just saying that hard drugs can stay in your body in detectable levels for long enough to where drug testing them would still be effective, especially if it's a random drug test and unexpected.

[sgreger1]

Dont hair samples give you more information then a urine test? I heard rumors of people shaving their entire body for some state/federal jobs.

Hair tests can tell you what you've done with more accuracy and can go back way further in time than a urine test can. Shaving the head works but there are also special bleaches one must use in addition to that.

Hair drug tests are uncommon as they are significantly more expensive than urine tests.



If you were drug testing large groups of people, there ar emuch cheaper and effective methods of using urine than using hair.

[timholian]

So, what you are saying is that you should "epilate" your entire body? Ouch.

Maybe it would be easier to just not do drugs?

By drugs you mean "illegal" drugs right. I am not for polluting your neighborhood with drugs or being self destructive with drugs, so as long as whatever you choose to do doesn't hamper me in what I am trying to do, I could give a shit less. I'll leave my morality offa you if you keep yours offa me kinda thing. But what do I know... Im a scary drug user that is unsocial, cant keep a job and lives off the fruits of others labor, I don't wanna buy drugs with my money... i wanna buy drugs with your money.... wait, thats not me at all.

[tom502]

Wouldn't they just take the hair from your peener bush then?

[timholian]

Wouldn't they just take the hair from your peener bush then?

wouldnt work on me... its like a turtle shell down there, like peeled boiled eggs. LMAO JK JK

[danielan]

If you were drug testing large groups of people, there ar emuch cheaper and effective methods of using urine than using hair.

Ok, so, time for a urinalysis story:

Dear SnusOn,

I never thought it would happen to me.

Back, about 20 years, I was in the USAF. Now, in the USAF, there are basically only like 2 things that will get you in trouble. One is skipping a dental appointment, the other is missing your urinalysis timeline.

When you get randomly selected for urinalysis, you have 1 hour to get to the collection point and pee.

One day I get selected. But my commander and my first sergeant are both occupied, so they finally track down my boss with less then 30 minutes left. She sends an LE car to come get me off the flightline and heads to meet up at the collection point in case I'm late.

The LE guy comes and gets me and we fly across base to the gym (yeah, for some reason the "Services" squadron does collections and not the medical group). The LE guy drops me off and goes back to work.

I run in to the collection point. My boss is there. There is a cute little female airman there.

I have maybe 5 minutes left before we all end up having to explain the whole deal to the base commander...

There's no guy there to witness me peeing. So... After a brief discussion, we decide that we'll just use the female witness, but to make sure that nothing inappropriate happens, my boss will come in to witness too.

So, there I go, into the bathroom with 2 ladies who are going to watch me pee. I'm 18 at this point, so, yeah... Um... Anyway, I manage to deliver my sample, tuck myself back in and I leave, red-faced to be sure, but at least this is all done and in the allotted time frame.

The very next day, I get a call from my boss - we have to do it AGAIN! Apparently, having female witnesses is against the regs and the sample is therefore void.

This time there was a guy witness. But then me, my boss, my first sergeant the cute airman and her boss get called to go visit the base commander and explain what happened.

I was insanely nervous, but he was really cool about the whole deal. We related the whole story, he does a "WTH? You did what?" bit then laughs off the whole thing and tells us to get the hell out of his office.

About 6 months later I met the cute female airman again, this time in a social setting and we ended up dating for like 3 weeks.

And in a strange twist of fate, several years later the base commander had become a general and he came to my new base. I was giving a briefing to him on our mission and when it was over, he asks, "Were you ever stationed at xxxxxx?". I gulp, "Yes sir". He smiles, "I seem to remember you and a certain incident...". "Um, yes sir"

So, then I'm red-faced again and then later have to explain the whole story to my new bosses.

[timholian]

LMFAO @ Dan (imma just call you Dan unless Im corrected)

The only UA test story I have from the Army that was of note was:

We were in formation, awaiting the UA. As I stand there I start to feel weird and the world slowly goes black. Next thing I know I have people helping me off the ground and my chin was bleeding like a mofo. Turns out I was dehydrated and kinda just fainted for a moment. ( I didn't start my smoking until I was out of the Army) I was laughed at and ridiculed for the next week. Of course the running joke was "Man, you really wanted out of that UA, uh.". LOL

[sgreger1]

By drugs you mean "illegal" drugs right. I am not for polluting your neighborhood with drugs or being self destructive with drugs, so as long as whatever you choose to do doesn't hamper me in what I am trying to do, I could give a shit less. I'll leave my morality offa you if you keep yours offa me kinda thing. But what do I know... Im a scary drug user that is unsocial, cant keep a job and lives off the fruits of others labor, I don't wanna buy drugs with my money... i wanna buy drugs with your money.... wait, thats not me at all.

I feel the same way. You do you and ill do me, enjoy your rights but don't infringe upon mine. But the problem arrises when you make something like meth legal, because someone addicted to meth is not going to follow those rules you established. They will infringe on your rights at every possible chance if it means them getting more meth. This is the problem, smoking weed doesn't make you go out and rob people, but some drugs do. So it's kind of a difficult thing since some people are responsible and some are not, this is the problem with laws in general.

[Joe234]

Joe, the wiki quote is substantiated in the other links as well as in other sources. Wikipedia isn't terribly accurate, but when it states something that coincides with numerous other sources, it tends to be right. I still say you're missing the point of long term use and the impact it has one how long you'll test for. To give some different sources the NIH and the Office of National Drug Control Policy. As you can see on page 16 of the PDF, purity of street cocaine stayed around 65-75% for a five year period not too long ago, so I think it's a safe assumption to estimate saying 70% would be about normal now. In the first link, the National Institute of Health states that 10-45mg doses of cocaine delivered via a variety of methods extended detection time to 98hours. Most cokeheads use a hell of a lot more than 45mg, though. 3.5g can be a one night supply. At about 70% purity, this amounts to 245mg of coke, or almost 5.5 times the dosage that kept you testing positive 98 hours later. Now multiply that by say, four times a week or so, for a number of weeks. The guys doing that (cokeheads who can afford to buy coke, which is most of them when they start) are going to test positive way longer than the guy who does coke once or twice a month. And junkies are a bad example for you to use. Aside from the fact that toxic metabolites will build up in your system when you shoot up for extended periods of time and you will test positive for a fair bit of time longer than most, junkies are not generally known for caring what happens once they are messed up or for making logical decisions.

This means nothing. You can't make up your own formula and just multiply this by some estimate.
You don't know how fast cocaine metabolizes after 96 hours.

And are you saying that these testers never encounter heavy coke heads?
Ridiculous! I have talked with professionals in the field who see heavy users
everyday. Dealers, thieves and assorted heavy users.

Try using this method on a term paper.

[timholian]

I feel the same way. You do you and ill do me, enjoy your rights but don't infringe upon mine. But the problem arrises when you make something like meth legal, because someone addicted to meth is not going to follow those rules you established. They will infringe on your rights at every possible chance if it means them getting more meth. This is the problem, smoking weed doesn't make you go out and rob people, but some drugs do. So it's kind of a difficult thing since some people are responsible and some are not, this is the problem with laws in general.

I am a wee bit of a hypocrite because I am not for legalizing ALL drugs. Meth, crack, coke, heroin should never be legal. These drug ruin peoples lives. Although it is easy to blame an addict, at some point we need to put that aside and treat the problem. Some you can't help but shouldn't our system make some kind of effort to mandate rehab (ack i hate that word) instead of just throwing them all away?
But then again, it could be my liberal side showing... down boy, down

[sgreger1]

California welfare cards can be used in many casino ATMs

In more than half of the state's casinos and gaming rooms, welfare recipients can get cash from state-issued EBT cards.




http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...,6190326.story

I am coining a new term: Californifail