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  • Simplysnus
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    • May 2010
    • 481

    #16
    Although the act of killing would be much different for a doctor based on mental training, I'm guessing, versus a sharpshooter

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    • Bigblue1
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      • Dec 2008
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      #17
      Originally posted by Simplysnus View Post
      Although the act of killing would be much different for a doctor based on mental training, I'm guessing, versus a sharpshooter
      Yes but doctors take the hippocratic oath, which Is "First do no Harm" How would a sworn doctor ever rectify his conscience and duty after uttering those words..... as far as I'm concerned with 4 outa 5 marksman i'd say there is less chance for error than with a needle, a chamber, or a Switch..... This is probably why "Death by cop" is a feasible option for Many criminal who see "no way out".....

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      • Bigblue1
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        • Dec 2008
        • 3923

        #18
        Originally posted by Simplysnus View Post
        I think the blank round would make it worse for me.
        Well
        the blank round wouldn't make much sense if they weren't shooting all at once, so Yes the blank round could( not will ) make quit a difference.

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        • Nvr2Stond
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          • Jun 2010
          • 177

          #19
          Originally posted by Bigblue1 View Post
          Well
          the blank round wouldn't make much sense if they weren't shooting all at once, so Yes the blank round could( not will ) make quit a difference.

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          The blank round is used so each shooter can say to him/herself "20% chance i did not kill him" and ease the shooters conscious

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          • Norwester
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            • Dec 2008
            • 178

            #20
            Originally posted by GoVegan View Post
            It is wrong for our government to have the right to put people to death! Lock them up in a horrible prison or put them on a deserted island with no food even but we should never have the death penalty in a civilized society.
            If we were a civilized society there would be no reason for the death penalty and other deterrents.

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            • WickedKitchen
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              • Nov 2009
              • 2528

              #21
              Originally posted by snusjus View Post
              It's funny how the American government condemns "savage" nations like North Korea and Saudi Arabia for executing civilians, yet we do the exact same thing.
              I think it's a little different here. We don't do it within three days. I bet if we did, our society might be different. I'm not advocating for this, but just because the end-result is similar doesn't mean the concept is the same...nor the process.

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              • tom502
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                • Feb 2009
                • 8985

                #22
                I think we should do it within 3 days, well, really more like 6 months would be ok, but to lanquish on death row for 20 or more years is just dumb. I do think a swift and effective death penalty should be carried out to those who have done terrible crimes like murder, and there is no question about it. If there is possible question, then life, or a timed sentence. But many times, cold blooded killers, get out after a few years. Our so-called "justice" system is a sham.

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                • Curtisp
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                  • Jun 2010
                  • 189

                  #23
                  They should remove them from the courthouse, immediately after sentencing, kneel them down, and shoot them in the back of the head. You want a real deterrent to crime? Televise it, and force your kids to watch. Are innocent people in jail. Yes. Are mistakes going to be made? Yes. The needs of the many will always outweigh the needs of the few. I, for one am willing to allow the sacrifice. We have debated justice to death in the last half century, and the only thing it has accomplished, is to teach kids how to work the system, and avoid accountability. Wrong is Wrong. There is no half measure of Truth. You do the crime, you pay the price..

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                  • myuserid
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                    • Jun 2010
                    • 1645

                    #24
                    Originally posted by snusjus View Post
                    It's funny how the American government condemns "savage" nations like North Korea and Saudi Arabia for executing civilians, yet we do the exact same thing.
                    There's quite a difference between condemning someone to death after a trial in the U.S. and gassing civilians like Suddam

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                    • Simplysnus
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                      • May 2010
                      • 481

                      #25
                      Originally posted by myuserid View Post
                      There's quite a difference between condemning someone to death after a trial in the U.S. and gassing civilians like Suddam
                      Saddam wasn't in Saudi Arabia or north Korea.

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                      • Tobakssmak
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                        • Jan 2010
                        • 263

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Bigblue1 View Post
                        To ease the psychological burden on the executioners, one of them was given a blank round, but none knew who.
                        The shooters can tell if they got the blank. No projectile makes the recoil very different. Unless I suppose if they were all shooting very light bullets.

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                        • myuserid
                          Member
                          • Jun 2010
                          • 1645

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Simplysnus View Post
                          Saddam wasn't in Saudi Arabia or north Korea.
                          Just using Saddam as an example.

                          Insert name of dictator as appropriate.

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                          • NorSnuser
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                            • Sep 2009
                            • 153

                            #28
                            I think the "justice" system is so screwed up that the death penalty is problematic. However, nobody should lose sleep over Gardner as he was guilty beyond any reasonable doubt.

                            I think the criminal should be able to choose their method of execution. I doubt the Utah sharpshooters are going to have any guilt over this guy and the blank round was probably unnecessary.

                            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronnie_Lee_Gardner

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                            • Monkey
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                              • Mar 2009
                              • 3290

                              #29
                              I am all for the death penalty, but it should be able to produce revenue.

                              Pay per view roman games night once a week to watch death row inmates fight to the death.

                              I'd be a regular subscriber....

                              Of course, I do have strange views.

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                              • NonServiam
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                                • May 2010
                                • 736

                                #30
                                Like I said, as long as there is overwhelming facts to their guilt, then kill them. I can see your argument of "If killing/raping is so wrong, and we condemn it so severely, aren't we hypocritical for killing the killer". However, it is done for the victim and family's behalf because they cannot. It is also done as a deterrent.

                                If they ask for solitary confinement or protective custody then prison won't be too rough for them. Some persons, like Charles Manson for example, I have spent so much of their lives in prison that they become institutionalized. They are actually more content in prison then being free. They don't know how to co-exist in a free world. Sending them to an island...that's a vacation. Sand between their toes, birds singing, beautiful sunrises. All things of this world that their victim never got a chance to hear or see again. Some would starve or die in the elements. But others, would actually have the know-how to survive by fishing, hunting, building shelter, etc...

                                During the attack the victim had every lawful right to defend themselves by deadly force. But they did not have that opportunity and in turn lost their life and a family lost a father, son, husband, etc... Personally, I think the family or the victim (if still alive) should not only choose the form of death, but also administer it. I know if someone killed someone dear to me, I would not want that person to be able breathe another breath. They do not deserve it. They are a waste of flesh and a failure in life. If they're lucky, the system will get a hold of them before I do. If you're perfectly fine with your tax dollars going to feed and care for the scum of the earth, I hope they don't hurt someone dear to you.

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