Riots in Oakland

[sgreger1]

This is a foolish argument. Blacks have not enslaved and objectified whites for hundreds of years. Implying that the situation in reverse has any analytical merit is just as racist as shooting a black man in the back cause you're a white cop and you can probably get away with it.

But the problem is that they use the fact that slavery existed everywhere in the world (including America) as a basis to commit crime and use it as a scapegoat for their actions (only a select few idiots do this). For example, I sell crack in the hood because whitey enslaved my ancestors. Meanwhile in my office there are countless African Americans ( many from similar backgrounds as the crack dealer) who acknowledge the absolute injustice opposed upon their race but make light of the oppertunity they have in todays world and get a job like everyone else.


We all agree slavery was bad, but we must also agree that it was the way of the world at the time, and America did not invent slavery. Since then we have reformed our country to be a more equal and just place to exist for a minority, and oppertunities and freedoms are available to people of all races and backgrounds. So when I hear people looting, killing, or doing anything illegal in the name of "white man is keeping me down", I can only laugh.

I mean they are upset because someone committed a crime and didn't get a harsh enough sentence. So in retalliation they go commit crimes against innocents. Does that make sense, does it make them any better? I think crime of all sorts should be punished equally. Though there seems to be a high instance of cops shooting unarmed people because they think they can get away with it, but this is not restricted only to blacks, so again it's an abuse of power issue and not a racial one.

[tom502]

Sad. I bet Jesse and Al are supporting it too.

[tom502]

Now the government really is so stupid, they often just incite this crap with their ineptitude. Apart from selecting black officers to deal with black majority situations, when there is a trial, just as I now read this, they talk about the races of the jury, and really, they need to make an effort to make the jury racially mixed equally. It doesn't even make sense, that they would not do this, knowing how everything is about race in America, that a case like this, should(they all should) have a equally mixed jury. The abcnews(about Enquirer quality) is saying no blacks on the jury. Stupid.

[timholian]

I think people are animals and shouldn't be trusted in large groups.

The cop got off light. IMO, we should hold police officers to a higher standard than a normal civilian. In the Army, you are trained to function in high stress situations, the same should be said for police persons. IMO, we need to make sure these police have MORE training in dealing with high stress situations and a psych evaluation every 6 months.

Don't forget..... Police Officers work for us, to keep us safe. There are people bad at their jobs everywhere.... When cops are bad at their jobs it not only effects the person they are dealing with but it also makes the news.

TERM LIMITS live it, love it

[tom502]

I did just read that many of these rioter instigators happen to be white kids who are organized anachists, who came there seeking to bring chaos in the streets and more friction against police and crims.

[dxh]

This is an excelent point. If I were carrying on me (legally) a pistol and a taser, and I ended up shooting someone in a situation which i felt was self defence but really wasn't (involuntary manslaughter), I would get the ABSOLUTE MAXIMUM charge. Probably first degree murder somehow. In CA if I shoot someone I am liable to get at LEAST 12-20 years in jail.

At the same time I do feel cops should have some leniency. This is what soldiers have to deal with too; they are in an environment that has them constantly paranoid and people are always attacking them, so they tend to be a little on edge when they feel they have to defend themselves. Just like I don't thin we should be ailing soldiers for hittig a civilian in the crossfire, I think we should show some understanding when it comes to police.


But the negligence was SO gross in this situation I can't help but feel this isn't justice. I feel the ruling was correct, as I feel it was involuntary manslaughter , but they are saying the sentence will be 4 years in jail, which in CA means you don't goto jail and just stay on probation for a while. So pretty much a slap on the wrist. I feel he deserves a jail term as well as a huge payment to the family.

If I shot someone in CA, they would throw the book at me. They do not play that shit here.

I agree. I am glad that there was a charge, but I feel this officer got unfair treatment. You said it all. If it were you or I, we would be charged with murder.
Riots piss me off, I like civil disobedience when it is needed, but riots are chaos and usually don't accomplish anything.
Reminds me of mayday riots here in santa cruz...****ing cowards always take advantage of a crowd.

[LaZeR]

Next time a white person is attacked in the ghetto by a black person I am driving straight to PA and busting out the Windows of Northerner's warehouse to steal some thunder frosted. You know, to fight for justice, or something.

Please keep that shit in California. K thanX...

[lxskllr]

Next time a white person is attacked in the ghetto by a black person I am driving straight to PA and busting out the Windows of Northerner's warehouse to steal some thunder frosted. You know, to fight for justice, or something.

I've read this a few times now, and it makes me laugh every time :^D

[texasmade]

Throw out race. The guy had 3 cops on him and he was face down on the ground. That is enough to subdue someone and I personally feel that if you have someone on the ground there should be no reason to draw neither gun nor taser especially when there are two other officers there holding them down. At the least He should get 15 at the most life IMO.

[justintempler]

Off topic comment..



Welcome back sgreger1,

Hope you enjoyed your 4 days away from SnusOn. It's been quieter that usual without your presence. For a second I thought you and Fredrik from Northerner had gone fishing together.

(Now back to our regularly scheduled programming..........)

[timholian]

Throw out race. The guy had 3 cops on him and he was face down on the ground. That is enough to subdue someone and I personally feel that if you have someone on the ground there should be no reason to draw neither gun nor taser especially when there are two other officers there holding them down. At the least He should get 15 at the most life IMO.

I think you may be on to something there. I do feel as if the taser is the lazy mans weapon in a lot of the taser cases.

[Frosted]

This kinda reminds me of after the London tube bombings when Jean Charles de Menezes was shot by police officers. They shot him 11 times with hollow point bullets (illegal in warfare) with 7 of these bullets in his head. A man would have been incapacitated after 1 bullet in the head (it would have destroyed his skull completely) and after the second bullet there wouldn't have been anything left to shoot at. So the police do get out of control and certainly lose self control.

Now having used firearms myself - it is impossible - totally impossible to make a mistake between a tazer and a pistol - first of all you'd have to 'put one up' and then disengage the safety catch on a pistol. Also as Sgreger stated - the weight difference and feel are worlds apart.

Not even knowing the full details of your incident - the police officer shot him deliberately and knew exactly what he was doing- fact. He lost it.

[tom502]

Maybe I misread an article, but my reading is that the guy who was shot, was just released from prison, and had a lengthy violent record, and for some reason, he had become a hero for the pro-crime thugs and supporters, and had murals and songs wrtten about him, sorta like the Islamists do for their martyrs. Maybe he was a big thorn in the police's side, if he was a folk hero for crime? Or maybe I didn't read it right.

[sgreger1]

I agree. I am glad that there was a charge, but I feel this officer got unfair treatment. You said it all. If it were you or I, we would be charged with murder.
Riots piss me off, I like civil disobedience when it is needed, but riots are chaos and usually don't accomplish anything.
Reminds me of mayday riots here in santa cruz...****ing cowards always take advantage of a crowd.

Yah I work on the street that that happened on. The local anarchist chapter organized the riot weeks prior. They burned down some cafe and broke into the Rolex Jewelry store next door to me. But check this out, this is how I KNOW these people are idiots. They broke into a jewelry store AND DIDN'T EVEN STEAL ANY JEWELRY. If i'm going to take time out of my busy college schedule of going to class and smoking pot, I am at least going to come out of that bitch shining like the sun and yelling "bling bling" throughout my escape.

And the biggest irony of all time is that the protest was (well there were several reasons, but one of the reasons was) to protest big corporations robbign the little guy, yet all they did was burn and loot locally owned stores, most of which were family owned. Oh the irony.
Idiots.

[sgreger1]

Now having used firearms myself - it is impossible - totally impossible to make a mistake between a tazer and a pistol - first of all you'd have to 'put one up' and then disengage the safety catch on a pistol. Also as Sgreger stated - the weight difference and feel are worlds apart.

THIS entirely. I mean the mechanics and feel of the two are like the difference between a baseball bat and a rocket launcher. He would have had to be drunk or waaaay overstressed to somehow confuse his TASER for his pistol. I mean shit that is just an insane argument. He should have used the southpark defense of "He was comin right for us!"