Got busted by undercover cop selling my snus :D Nazis & WW2 & Concentration Camp O MY

[sgreger1]

I think the problem is people being told to STFU whenever it's brought up. You can agree with the official story, or you can go to hell. That makes people disagree more since they're told they can't, and they look harder for inconsistencies. Personally I think the number was around 4,000,000. Four million, six million, it doesn't really matter in the end, but people should be free to discuss it, regardless of their intentions.

Oh i totally agree. Me being an ugly american and all, free speech is a no brainer for me. Im just saying that the members on THIS forum seem to question something about the holocaust and im trying to figure out what they think is being hidden. We have free speech here, as illustrated by the fact that if any thread extends past more than 3 pages, a discussion on the holocaust becomes obligatory.


So lets all agree the number was inflated a little. So what? Is that the conspiracy, that zionists added a few million to the deathtoll and somehow rule the world because of it?

[tom502]

A Short Introduction to the Study of Holocaust Revisionism
By Arthur R. Butz
I see three principal reasons for the widespread but erroneous belief in the legend of millions of Jews killed by the Germans during World War II: US and British troops found horrible piles of corpses in the west German camps they captured in 1945 (e.g. Dachau and Belsen), there are no longer large communities of Jews in Poland, and historians generally support the legend.
During both world wars Germany was forced to fight typhus, carried by lice in the constant traffic with the east. That is why all accounts of entry into the German concentration camps speak of shaving of hair and showering and other delousing procedures, such as treatment of quarters with the pesticide Zyklon. That was also the main reason for a high death rate in the camps, and the crematoria that existed in all.
When Germany collapsed in chaos then of course all such defenses ceased, and typhus and other diseases became rampant in the camps, which quartered mainly political prisoners, ordinary criminals, homosexuals, conscientious objectors, and Jews conscripted for labor. Hence the horrible scenes, which however had nothing to do with "extermination" or any deliberate policy. Moreover the west German camps involved were not the alleged "extermination camps", which were all in Poland (e.g. Auschwitz and Treblinka) and which were all evacuated or shut down before capture by the Soviets, who found no such scenes.
The "Final Solution" spoken of in the German documents was a program of evacuation, resettlement and deportation of Jews with the ultimate objective of expulsion from Europe. During the war Jews of various nationalities were being moved east, as one stage in this Final Solution. The legend claims that the motion was mainly for extermination purposes.
The great majority of the millions allegedly exterminated were east European, not German or west European, Jews. For that reason study of the problem via population statistics has been difficult to impossible, but it is a fact that there are no longer large communities of Jews in Poland. However the Germans were only one of several parties involved in moving Jews around. The Soviets deported virtually all of the Jews of eastern Poland to their interior in 1940. After the war, with Polish and other Jews pouring out of the east into occupied west Germany, the Zionists moved large numbers to Palestine, and the US and other countries absorbed many Jews, in most cases under conditions making impossible a numerical accounting. Moreover the Polish borders were changed drastically at the end of the war; the country was literally moved west.
Historians generally support the legend, but there are precedents for nearly incomprehensible blindness on the part of scholars. For example throughout the Middle Ages even the Pope's political enemies conceded his false claim that the 4th century Emperor Constantine had ceded rule of the west to the Pope, although all knew very well that Constantine had been succeeded by more emperors. Near unanimity among the academics is especially suspect when there exist great political pressures; in some countries Holocaust revisionists have been prosecuted.
It is easy to show that the extermination legend merits skepticism. Even the casual reader of the Holocaust literature knows that during the war virtually nobody acted as though it was happening. Thus it is common to berate the Vatican, the Red Cross and the Allies (especially the intelligence agencies) for their ignorance and inaction, and to explain that the Jews generally did not resist deportation because they did not know what was in store for them. If you add all this up you have the strange claim that for almost three years German trains, operating on a continental scale in densely civilized regions of Europe, were regularly and systematically moving millions of Jews to their deaths, and nobody noticed except for a few of our Jewish leaders who were making public "extermination" claims.
On closer examination even those few Jewish leaders were not acting as though it was happening. Ordinary communications between the occupied and neutral countries were open, and they were in contact with the Jews whom the Germans were deporting, who thus could not have been in ignorance of "extermination" if those claims had any validity.
This incredible ignorance must also be attributed to Hans Oster's department in German military intelligence, correctly labeled "the veritable general staff of the opposition to Hitler" in a recent review.
What we are offered in evidence was gathered after the war, in trials. The evidence is almost all oral testimony and "confessions". Without the evidence of these trials there would be no significant evidence of "extermination". One must pause and ponder this carefully. Were trials needed to determine that the Battle of Waterloo happened? The bombings of Hamburg, Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki? The slaughter in Cambodia? Yet this three year program, of continental scope, claiming millions of victims, requires trials to argue its reality. I am not arguing that the trials were illegal or unfair; I am arguing that such historical logic as the legend rests on must not be countenanced. Such events cannot happen without generating commensurate and contemporaneous evidence for their reality, just as a great forest fire cannot take place without producing smoke. One may as well believe that New York City was burned down, if confessions to the deed can be produced.
Detailed consideration of the specific evidence put forward in support of the legend has been a focus of the revisionist literature and cannot be undertaken here, but I shall mention one point. The claim of the legend is that there were no technical means provided for the specific task of extermination, and that means originally provided for other purposes did double duty in improvised arrangements. Thus the Jews were allegedly gassed with the pesticide Zyklon, and their corpses disappeared into the crematoria along with the deaths from "ordinary" causes (the ashes or other remains of millions of victims never having been found).
Surely any thoughtful person must be skeptical.

http://www.codoh.com/revisionist/tr03butzhr.html

[lxskllr]

So lets all agree the number was inflated a little. So what? Is that the conspiracy, that zionists added a few million to the deathtoll and somehow rule the world because of it?

I don't think there's any huge conspiracy, but I do think the holocaust card gets played too much to garner sympathy. Israel owes it's existence to the holocaust, and the USA. That's been a thorn in our side for 60 years, and we've lost money, a lot of lives, and a major landmark due to our support of Israel.

[sgreger1]

Tom, they admitted to doing it though, that is the most supreme of all evidence. If a killer admits to doing it, and no evidence exists that says otherwise, i dont see why a debate is even necessary.


They would take jews and put them into a van, then attach the exhaust pipe to feed into the van and start the engine. This was the primary method of killing them at first, then later they began using the zyklon b and the crematoriums.

This obviousely wasnt something they wanted found out which is why they were ordered to burn the camps if they were going to be invaded. Im sorry but ive read too many stories from people who lived in those concentration camps to believe some guy writing on the internet. Did they all just make up the story all together at the same time? Did a bunch of jewish prisoners really convince the world of something that didnt exist?



I can see debates about the number of people who died, but to claim the event never happened all together is a huge claim with little to no evidence behind it. Meanwhile the evidence that it did happen is very large.

[sgreger1]

I don't think there's any huge conspiracy, but I do think the holocaust card gets played too much to garner sympathy. Israel owes it's existence to the holocaust, and the USA. That's been a thorn in our side for 60 years, and we've lost money, a lot of lives, and a major landmark due to our support of Israel.

I can see why we support them, given that they are in the middle east and willing to be friends. Now i also dont like it when people play the race card either so i can see why it pisses people off. But tom, for example, is trying to claim it didnt even happen and that its all made up.

[tom502]

It's simply not true, and there is no evidence to support it. If there are any "confessions" they were made by torture. Now, with all respect, you have your right to accept whatever version you want. I do as well.

[Joe234]

It's simply not true, and there is no evidence to support it. If there are any "confessions" they were made by torture. Now, with all respect, you have your right to accept whatever version you want. I do as well.

i couldn't help it. I had to come forward. My posting will be limited.


You're a moron!

There is plently of evidence. How about the Germans who tried to kill Hitler at Valkyrie?
What about the Nuremberg Trials? What about the ant-Jewish posters and newspaper
ads depicting the Jews as evil in Germany as Hitler came to power.

Even when witnesses come forward Tom doesn't believe it. That's because he's been
brainwashed by the racists.

I don't use the race card. I believe in free speech. Noam Chomsky defended a Frence
revisionist's right to publish. He said, " of course he's nuts but he has a right to his opinion."

I do not say this as an Israeli shill. In fact I support the Palestinians and once took some
Arabic.

Ma a salama

Here are your witnesses. This documentary from The History Channel has a lot of Nazi evil and what
led to Adolf Hitler gaining power.

Valkyrie: The Plot To Kill Hitler - Parts 1 - 12

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Watch part 2 below at about the 2 1/2 minute point to see the Nazi Jew hate program
along with posters, newspapers.

Watch part 2 above at about the 2 1/2 minute point to see the Nazi Jew hate program
along with posters, newspapers.

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[krahv]

LOL joe you really are clown collage dropout. Cant believe it

"What about the valkyrie mõmm mõmm" lol hehehhehee wtf hahhaha

But yeah there were some 20 plots to kill hitler, that it was made into a movie doesnt make it any connection to saving jews or with this thread or the things we talk about.


About zyclon B, there wasnt any trace of using this bugs spray in the gas chambers sgreger.
It leaves blue marks on the walls, none of them in there, also tests was done-nothing.
Jews told that it was used and how guards went in 10 minutes after the gassing with out protective gear and smoking cigs. Though this thing is there at least few days and is highly inflammable.


But joe you are one of the funniest and saddest man here. just lol

AND READ JOE tom isnt talking that nazis werent bad and they liked jews. He saying something else. Maybe we should post our sentences word by post.

[sgreger1]

Tom bro, really, there is so much evidence its massive. Meanwhile the evidence against it is flimsy at best, and is really not evidence at all, but rather just someone saying they dont believe it. I know your not dumb tom, the evidence on this one is too massive to ignore.

[tom502]

The information is vast which supports that it's not what we have been officially told. But it's too much to cut and paste, but I have pasted some short writings, and many links, as well as some youtube vids that explain it. I don't see what more I can do.

[f. bandersnatch]

No, sgreger, not dumb, just maleable.

Though I suppose I'm actually the malleable one, because I believe that the holocaust happened.

But let's go through the list
1. is convinced that anti-tobacco sentiment is a evil plan to keep us all smoking
2. holocaust revisionist
3. 9/11 revisionist
4. ancient aliens?
5. 2012 apocalypse

When one holds this many fringe scientific/conspiratorial beliefs, you go from the realm of healthy questioning to paranoid schizophrenia. My recommendation would be to smile and nod, my friend, smile and nod.

[Frosted]

Apparently the bodies from the concentration camps were bulldozed into huge piles - I still can't see the above videos. Must have a closer look at my settings.
I've seen photographs of the emaciated bodies - grimness at its grimmest. There were of course many eyewitness accounts from British soldiers.

"Lest we forget" I think Tom.

People get out of their pram about this subject because it was so evil, inhumane and extremely scary - Millions of families torn apart from each other and murdered.

But yes there have been holocausts since - depends what you call a holocaust. Holocaust means mass death by burning I think.

[c.nash]

Can we please just let this thread die? PLEASE!?

[Joe234]

LOL joe you really are clown collage dropout. Cant believe it

"What about the valkyrie mõmm mõmm" lol hehehhehee wtf hahhaha

But yeah there were some 20 plots to kill hitler, that it was made into a movie doesnt make it any connection to saving jews or with this thread or the things we talk about.


About zyclon B, there wasnt any trace of using this bugs spray in the gas chambers sgreger.
It leaves blue marks on the walls, none of them in there, also tests was done-nothing.
Jews told that it was used and how guards went in 10 minutes after the gassing with out protective gear and smoking cigs. Though this thing is there at least few days and is highly inflammable.


But joe you are one of the funniest and saddest man here. just lol

AND READ JOE tom isnt talking that nazis werent bad and they liked jews. He saying something else. Maybe we should post our sentences word by post.

Unless things have changed krahv, the only one the world is laughing at is you.

You are a sad Estonian white power freak. You probably support Radovan Karadžic'.

Note: See part 2 of the videos above at about the 2 1/2 minute point to see the
anti Jew campaign of the Nazis along with posters and newspapers.

[Premium Parrots]

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