Got busted by undercover cop selling my snus :D Nazis & WW2 & Concentration Camp O MY

[Frosted]

I've seen much much worse pictures than that but unfortunately I don't have time to hoke around for them. The horror was even more terrible than any picture can convey, for instance, can anybody with children imagine what it's like to have your child taken off you and incinerated?
If you don't have children you could never possibly imagine or understand the horror of that.

Thanks for posting that Sgreger.

[sgreger1]

[lxskllr]

Jimbo. The camps were burned when allied forces were coming near. A lot of the camps were destroyed to hide the evidence. And the confessions are not from prisoners. There is a whole list of nazi officers who ran these places that all admitted what was going on. The germans did not deny that this happened, so i am curious why you do? They were there and admitted to what occured. Prisoners also survived through this and all have the same story. Im not sure how to defend someone who has admitted guilt.

They couldn't say anything other than they were exterminating people at the camps. It was disallowed at the trials. It became an effort to accept some small blame, and try to pin the rest on superiors, as any other testimony wouldn't be accepted. As far as the stories of survivors; they're hardly the same. The differ in significant detail throughout all the camps.

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I would like to remind you that you are defending a regime that murdered 11-17 million people, from jews to pols to jahovas witnesses etc. There is plenty of proof that this all happened if you just open your eyes and do some research. Speaking of research, their drs and scientists did research on prisoners. For you all to deny one of the most well documented events of this century is astounding.

The persecution and genocide were carried out in stages. Legislation to remove the Jews from civil society was enacted years before the outbreak of World War II. Concentration camps were established in which inmates were used as slave labor until they died of exhaustion or disease. Where the Third Reich conquered new territory in eastern Europe, specialized units called Einsatzgruppen murdered Jews and political opponents in mass shootings. Jews and Romani were confined in overcrowded ghettos before being transported by freight train to extermination camps where, if they survived the journey, the majority of them were systematically killed in gas chambers. Every arm of Nazi Germany's bureaucracy was involved in the logistics of the mass murder, turning the country into what one Holocaust scholar has called "a genocidal state".[7]


Every arm of the country's sophisticated bureaucracy was involved in the killing process. Parish churches and the Interior Ministry supplied birth records showing who was Jewish; the Post Office delivered the deportation and denaturalization orders; the Finance Ministry confiscated Jewish property; German firms fired Jewish workers and disenfranchised Jewish stockholders; the universities refused to admit Jews, denied degrees to those already studying, and fired Jewish academics; government transport offices arranged the trains for deportation to the camps; German pharmaceutical companies tested drugs on camp prisoners; companies bid for the contracts to build the crematoria; detailed lists of victims were drawn up using the Dehomag (IBM Germany) company's punch card machines, producing meticulous records of the killings. As prisoners entered the death camps, they were made to surrender all personal property, which was carefully catalogued and tagged before being sent to Germany to be reused or recycled. Berenbaum writes that the Final Solution of the Jewish question was "in the eyes of the perpetrators … Germany's greatest achievement."[32]





It happened people. Must i start posting pictures again?


Romani children in auschwitz:

Mistreatment is a huge step from systematic murder(although that did occur via the Einsatzgruppen, but on a manual level). As soon as anyone argues with the details, they get accused of saying the Nazis ran super fun vacation packages. where the SS made balloon animals for the kids on the luxurious train ride, and left the occupants at a 4 star hotel at the end. I doubt there's many people that would say the Nazis weren't assholes, but it's a big step to going from willful neglect to homicide.

[sgreger1]

They couldn't say anything other than they were exterminating people at the camps. It was disallowed at the trials. It became an effort to accept some small blame, and try to pin the rest on superiors, as any other testimony wouldn't be accepted. As far as the stories of survivors; they're hardly the same. The differ in significant detail throughout all the camps.

But even ss members who were not tried at the nuremberg trials speak out today against holocaust denial. They say "i was there, i saw it, please quit pretending like this didnt happen". Were they tortured too?


I mean we can accept there was plenty of witch-hunting, scapegoating and exaguration surrounding this, but those who claim it didnt happen at all have absoluely no basis for their claims.

[lxskllr]

Links? I haven't found much looking around.

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This is an example of the inconsistencies regarding testimony from survivors, and is timely because it's the camp Demjanjuk is accused of working in. It's a lengthy read, but interesting regardless of what you believe. They also cover(in other articles) Auschwitz, and other camps, as well as excerpts from Goebbel's diaries...

http://www.inconvenienthistory.com/a...of_sobibor.php

[tom502]

I read the evil devil nazis would take ships of up to 20 billion jew babies, and put them on islands near south America and then blow up the islands with atomic bombs. Then they would feast on death jew baby back ribs and drink blood of gypsys.

[Frosted]

I read the evil devil nazis would take ships of up to 20 billion jew babies, and put them on islands near south America and then blow up the islands with atomic bombs. Then they would feast on death jew baby back ribs and drink blood of gypsys.

F*** off Tom

[sgreger1]

Links? I haven't found much looking around.

Edit:
This is an example of the inconsistencies regarding testimony from survivors, and is timely because it's the camp Demjanjuk is accused of working in. It's a lengthy read, but interesting regardless of what you believe. They also cover(in other articles) Auschwitz, and other camps, as well as excerpts from Goebbel's diaries...

http://www.inconvenienthistory.com/a...of_sobibor.php

Former SS members
Critics of Holocaust denial also include members of the Auschwitz SS. Camp physician and SS-Untersturmführer Hans Münch considers the facts of Auschwitz "so firmly determined that one cannot have any doubt at all", and describes those who negate what happened at the camp as "malevolent" people who have "personal interest to want to bury in silence things that cannot be buried in silence."[140] Zyklon-B handler and SS-Oberscharführer Josef Klehr has said that anyone who maintains that nobody was gassed at Auschwitz must be "crazy or on the wrong".[141] SS-Unterscharführer Oswald Kaduk has stated that he does not consider those who maintain such a thing as normal people.[142] Hearing about Holocaust denial compelled former SS-Rottenführer Oskar Gröning to publicly speak about what he witnessed at Auschwitz, and denounce Holocaust deniers,[143] stating:
I would like you to believe me. I saw the gas chambers. I saw the crematoria. I saw the open fires. I was on the ramp when the selections took place. I would like you to believe that these atrocities happened because I was there.[144]



And regardless of what happened in the concentration camps, we know there was willfull genocide. Not just of the jews. They took over territories and killed the people right on the spot based on race etc. This led to the execution of millions of people, all lined up and shot, then their bodies thrown in hastily dug mass graves. Men, women, children, not soldiers, and solely based on race.


The last jew in Vinnitsa:

[lxskllr]

Yea, that's the Einsatzgruppen. That wasn't only the Nazis that engaged in that though. Irregulars from the occupied countries contributed much to the manual elimination. I haven't gotten much into that aspect, so I don't know how tolerant the leadership was to those tactics.

[sgreger1]

Yea, that's the Einsatzgruppen. That wasn't only the Nazis that engaged in that though. Irregulars from the occupied countries contributed much to the manual elimination. I haven't gotten much into that aspect, so I don't know how tolerant the leadership was to those tactics.

From my research it seems that himmler arranged this whole executing jews thing, and that it had already been happeningn for some time before hitler was briefed on it.

[tom502]

The subject gets to be overkill and boring after a while.

[Frosted]

(Absoloutely pissing myself laughing at the title thread change)

[Bigblue1]

me too

[tom502]

I just happen to be an expert in this field, having viewed and collected key documentary films, such as:




So, it's obvious, I am the expert here.

[bipolarbear1968]

How about the complete series of Hogan's Heroes, Tom?