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[sgreger1]

please explain to me how you think hitler and obama are the same.

Hitler was black, right?

I think people think he's hitler because of socialism. Or something...


I think Obama should rock the hitler stash though. Someone needs to bring that back

[LaZeR]

please explain to me how you think hitler and obama are the same.

YahOO Answers Explains this:

Certainly there are some similarities. Look at Hitler's campaign early on, it didn't blatantly support facism. The Nazis promised to clamp down on Big Business and end the class struggle (sounds familiar). It appealed to the young most, they thought they would fight the evil bourgeois and and establish a youth dominated culture. The uprising of the poor and beaten down, crushed by the evil corporations and industrialist (again, sounds familiar). Along with the youth idea, the NAZIs would use the slight of hand trick, accusing their opponents of facism; evil creatures who hoped only to increase the wealth gap and control the downtrodden proletariet. Hitler gained the young and the old alike with idealism.

The biggest similarity is the idea of Nationalism and Socialism. Americans are naturally nationalists, and it is a good side to appeal to. Also, Obama is in favor of many socialist initiatives. So, it would be appropriate to call Obama a NAZI (An advocate of National Socialism). Both NAZIs. Bring on the thumbs downs.

[sgreger1]

You're assigning rights I never stated. There's a fairly large gap between clearing a country of certain people, and not caring so much as to the method, and large scale machinated execution.

Edit:
It's an insult to history to have an inaccurate accounting what really happened.

Edit2:
While the atrocities from real countries(England, USA...) are small in comparison to the Nazis, the USSR was every bit as bad, if not worse than the Nazis. Where were the trials for them, and why were they allowed to hold occupied territory?

Well we know it happened. Whether or not it was acting on direct orders is what is unclear. There is ample evidence that the jews were gassed in one way or another, but this is really a question of how much oversight was given to the concentration camps. To me, it sounds like a few guys were in charge of the various camps and they were doing their own thing. Hitler could care less so never stopped them. This is why only a few of the camps were known as ones that exterminated jews. Some mean bastards ran these camps and would kill the jews for the smallest of things. But all in all, i too see that the ussr got the good end of the deal here and history just so happened to fall on their side and in their favor.


But we do know it happened. Jews were gassed, we have the admission of the people who carried it out, and millions of eyewitness accounts. As far as it being the official policy to kill them in this manner, that can be debated, but we know that what happened was a travesty. More of a travesty than other wars? That we may never know. It was obviously exagerated for political purposes.

[Jimbob_Rebel]

But we do know it happened. Jews were gassed, we have the admission of the people who carried it out, and millions of eyewitness accounts. As far as it being the official policy to kill them in this manner, that can be debated, but we know that what happened was a travesty. More of a travesty than other wars? That we may never know. It was obviously exagerated for political purposes.

Bull........we know no such thing. The holohoax crowd freely admitts that the gas chambers are reconstructions. What happened to the originals? Why would they not be preserved as material evidence for the Nuremberg trials and the trials of any future "war criminals" captured?

I don't think confessions obtained from prisoners amounts to much. If someone had you chained to a rafter and proceeded to put cigarettes out on your hide and crush your testicles with a flash light you'd likely admitt to anything in the world to make it stop.

[tom502]

We do know camps existed, and Jews and others, including political prisoners were put there. Wo do not know if there was a genocide order, and we do not know if anyone was gassed. We do know a lot of people died. We do know there was an anti-Jew agenda at that time. And the US did just as much at that time, as well as most every nation at some time, many worse than the Germans.

I think the unquestioning power of Israel is based on the holocaust being what we have been told it is. They have carte blanc now.
I also think that those who don't buy it, want to help clear, what may be the best most advanced national system in the history of the world.

[sgreger1]

Bull........we know no such thing. The holohoax crowd freely admitts that the gas chambers are reconstructions. What happened to the originals? Why would they not be preserved as material evidence for the Nuremberg trials and the trials of any future "war criminals" captured?

I don't think confessions obtained from prisoners amounts to much. If someone had you chained to a rafter and proceeded to put cigarettes out on your hide and crush your testicles with a flash light you'd likely admitt to anything in the world to make it stop.

Jimbo. The camps were burned when allied forces were coming near. A lot of the camps were destroyed to hide the evidence. And the confessions are not from prisoners. There is a whole list of nazi officers who ran these places that all admitted what was going on. The germans did not deny that this happened, so i am curious why you do? They were there and admitted to what occured. Prisoners also survived through this and all have the same story. Im not sure how to defend someone who has admitted guilt.

[sgreger1]

We do know camps existed, and Jews and others, including political prisoners were put there. Wo do not know if there was a genocide order, and we do not know if anyone was gassed. We do know a lot of people died. We do know there was an anti-Jew agenda at that time. And the US did just as much at that time, as well as most every nation at some time, many worse than the Germans.

I think the unquestioning power of Israel is based on the holocaust being what we have been told it is. They have carte blanc now.
I also think that those who don't buy it, want to help clear, what may be the best most advanced national system in the history of the world.

Cummon man. The people who carried out the executions admitted to it and they all blame it as "hey we were just taking orders". I mean if us soldiers said they were torturing prisoners in gitmo, i wouldnt say they are lying. What do they have to gain from lying?

[Frosted]

So we're questioning whether or not the order for gassing of jews came from the top?

In any Army you couldn't arrange a fart without getting permission first.

[Tobakssmak]

Hey Mods, why not split this thread up? I keep clicking on it hoping to get an update on this guys story, but instead I get a bunch of crap about the holocaust.

I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'...

[Jimbob_Rebel]

Jimbo. The camps were burned when allied forces were coming near. A lot of the camps were destroyed to hide the evidence. And the confessions are not from prisoners. There is a whole list of nazi officers who ran these places that all admitted what was going on. The germans did not deny that this happened, so i am curious why you do? They were there and admitted to what occured. Prisoners also survived through this and all have the same story. Im not sure how to defend someone who has admitted guilt.

I think you're a bit confused as to what I was trying to communicate. When I referenced "prisoners" I was speaking of german officers and civilian leaders arrested by allied troops. All the camps were burned? How bloody convenient..............

[sgreger1]

I think you're a bit confused as to what I was trying to communicate. When I referenced "prisoners" I was speaking of german officers and civilian leaders arrested by allied troops. All the camps were burned? How bloody convenient..............

Look, in favor of the holocaust being real, we have the perpetrators who admitted doing it, millions of prisoners who survived through it and all have matching stories, an entire war crime trial that dug up a plethora of evidence etc.

On the side that says the holocaust didnt happen you have arguments like "the zionists faked it to gain power because they rule the world". Which is not evidence. I mean first hand testimony plus millions of witnesses corroborating it with matching stories is evidence, saying that theres no proof in light of the fact that lots of proof exists is not evidence.


I just dont see anything other than conjecture or conspiracy talk from your side. Yes it was convenient that many of the camps were burnt, that was the farking point. Destroy your evidence.

[sgreger1]

I would like to remind you that you are defending a regime that murdered 11-17 million people, from jews to pols to jahovas witnesses etc. There is plenty of proof that this all happened if you just open your eyes and do some research. Speaking of research, their drs and scientists did research on prisoners. For you all to deny one of the most well documented events of this century is astounding.

The persecution and genocide were carried out in stages. Legislation to remove the Jews from civil society was enacted years before the outbreak of World War II. Concentration camps were established in which inmates were used as slave labor until they died of exhaustion or disease. Where the Third Reich conquered new territory in eastern Europe, specialized units called Einsatzgruppen murdered Jews and political opponents in mass shootings. Jews and Romani were confined in overcrowded ghettos before being transported by freight train to extermination camps where, if they survived the journey, the majority of them were systematically killed in gas chambers. Every arm of Nazi Germany's bureaucracy was involved in the logistics of the mass murder, turning the country into what one Holocaust scholar has called "a genocidal state".[7]


Every arm of the country's sophisticated bureaucracy was involved in the killing process. Parish churches and the Interior Ministry supplied birth records showing who was Jewish; the Post Office delivered the deportation and denaturalization orders; the Finance Ministry confiscated Jewish property; German firms fired Jewish workers and disenfranchised Jewish stockholders; the universities refused to admit Jews, denied degrees to those already studying, and fired Jewish academics; government transport offices arranged the trains for deportation to the camps; German pharmaceutical companies tested drugs on camp prisoners; companies bid for the contracts to build the crematoria; detailed lists of victims were drawn up using the Dehomag (IBM Germany) company's punch card machines, producing meticulous records of the killings. As prisoners entered the death camps, they were made to surrender all personal property, which was carefully catalogued and tagged before being sent to Germany to be reused or recycled. Berenbaum writes that the Final Solution of the Jewish question was "in the eyes of the perpetrators … Germany's greatest achievement."[32]





It happened people. Must i start posting pictures again?


Romani children in auschwitz:




^^^^ this is what you are defending by claiming it never happened.

[Jimbob_Rebel]

Look, in favor of the holocaust being real, we have the perpetrators who admitted doing it, millions of prisoners who survived through it and all have matching stories, an entire war crime trial that dug up a plethora of evidence etc.

On the side that says the holocaust didnt happen you have arguments like "the zionists faked it to gain power because they rule the world". Which is not evidence. I mean first hand testimony plus millions of witnesses corroborating it with matching stories is evidence, saying that theres no proof in light of the fact that lots of proof exists is not evidence.


I just dont see anything other than conjecture or conspiracy talk from your side. Yes it was convenient that many of the camps were burnt, that was the farking point. Destroy your evidence.

The "perps" made their admissions under aplication of physical torture.

The former inmates did not relate identical stories......for instance it has been admitted that the stories about lamp shades and bars of soap were just that..........stories. Furthermore, it would not have been difficult for red army commisars and community leaders to ensure that all the inmates were on the nsame page about the "death camps".

[sgreger1]

There was a place called the ramp where the trains with the Jews were coming in. They were coming in day and night, and sometimes one per day and sometimes five per day … Constantly, people from the heart of Europe were disappearing, and they were arriving to the same place with the same ignorance of the fate of the previous transport. And the people in this mass … I knew that within a couple of hours … ninety percent would be gassed. ”
—Rudolf Vrba, who worked on the Judenrampe in Auschwitz from August 18, 1942 to June 7, 1943.[128]



Another improvement we made over Treblinka was that we built our gas chambers to accommodate 2,000 people at one time, whereas at Treblinka their 10 gas chambers only accommodated 200 people each. The way we selected our victims was as follows: we had two SS doctors on duty at Auschwitz to examine the incoming transports of prisoners. The prisoners would be marked by one of the doctors who would make spot decisions as they walked by. Those who were fit for work were sent into the Camp. Others were sent immediately to the extermination plants. Children of tender years were invariably exterminated, since by reason of their youth they were unable to work. Still another improvement we made over Treblinka was that at Treblinka the victims almost always knew that they were to be exterminated and at Auschwitz we endeavored to fool the victims into thinking that they were to go through a delousing process. Of course, frequently they realized our true intentions and we sometimes had riots and difficulties due to that fact. Very frequently women would hide their children under the clothes but of course when we found them we would send the children in to be exterminated. We were required to carry out these exterminations in secrecy but of course the foul and nauseating stench from the continuous burning of bodies permeated the entire area and all of the people living in the surrounding communities knew that exterminations were going on at Auschwitz.

– Rudolf Höß, Auschwitz camp commandant, Nuremberg testimony.[137]

[sgreger1]

The "perps" made their admissions under aplication of physical torture.

The former inmates did not relate identical stories......for instance it has been admitted that the stories about lamp shades and bars of soap were just that..........stories. Furthermore, it would not have been difficult for red army commisars and community leaders to ensure that all the inmates were on the nsame page about the "death camps".

Okay jimbo. It never happened. They tortured the entire SS as well as every beurocrat and company that was involved in this.


None of it happened