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  • texasmade
    Member
    • Jan 2009
    • 4159

    #1

    Why haven't I seen this on the news?

    http://www.8newsnow.com/global/story.asp?s=12796152

    LAS VEGAS - Chris Castillo describes his co-worker and good friend Erik Scott in glowing terms.

    "(He) served his country, West Point grad, Duke master's degree, solid business guy," Castillo said. Castillo is shocked Scott was shot and killed by Metro Police Saturday afternoon. "It was very, very hard to believe. Everybody was in disbelief as to what the heck could have happened and why," Castillos said.

    The 38-year-old medical salesman was shopping with his girlfriend at Costco when police say trouble began. "What he was doing was removing metal water bottles out of their packages or boxes," said Metro Police Captain Patrick Neville said. "He threw a few on the floor, and put other ones within his cart."

    Police say customers complained about Scott's behavior. He allegedly argued with security and refused to obey officers when they arrived. "(He) goes into his waistband area, puts his hand on the weapon, is going for the weapon," Capt. Neville said. "The officer then begins to issue verbal commands for him to get on the ground, get on the ground, get on the ground."

    Three officers then fired seven shots. "We have over a dozen witnesses that saw this individual pull a weapon from his waistband," Captain Neville said.

    Attorney Ross Goodman represents Scott's family. He says Scott never pulled a gun and was not acting in a threatening way toward officers. He says other witnesses will back that up. Some comments on 8NewsNOW.com from people who claim to have witnessed the shooting agree with Goodman.

    One person wrote, "I saw the whole thing go down from start to finish, and the cops were trigger happy. The guy never had a chance." "I was there, and I never saw this guy do anything with his gun," another person wrote. "The police started shooting immediately after ‘drop it' was yelled."

    Metro officers say they haven't heard those eyewitness accounts yet and encourage anyone who saw anything to contact them.

    "It sounds like he was trying to show the police his gun by lifting up his shirt," Castillo said. "These guys, they fired prematurely."

    Captain Neville says 911 calls will prove otherwise. "I could clearly hear the officers giving commands to the individual to get him on the ground," he said. "You could hear people yelling and screaming in the background. You could hear the shots being fired." "When you listen to that, it definitely sends a chill down your spine," Capt. Neville said.

    Goodman says he hopes surveillance video, along with the witnesses he's hearing from, will show Scott did nothing wrong.




    2 more articles about it

    http://www.lvrj.com/news/slaying-of-...-98223884.html

    http://www.ktnv.com/Global/story.asp?S=12785374
  • tom502
    Member
    • Feb 2009
    • 8985

    #2
    Was the guy deranged? Mental, on meth?
    I mean, if I am surrounded by police with guns drawn, why would I reach for something in my shorts? And it seems the guy did have a gun. I would have dropped right to the floor with arms spread.

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    • texasmade
      Member
      • Jan 2009
      • 4159

      #3
      witnesses say he didn't have a gun. He was ex military and friends said he wasn't careless with his guns and firearms.

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      • N0mad
        Member
        • Nov 2009
        • 550

        #4
        If he had one as the police said he did "Where is it"

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        • LaZeR
          Member
          • Oct 2009
          • 3994

          #5
          With the info given, I'm sorry but I have to side with the Officers in this instance. Do you know how many low life creeps these guys have to deal with toting around God knows what in there pants, socks, ect.... If you are surrounded by one or more cops, the thing to do would be not reach into your pants or anywhere else that the police don't direct you to. That is just asking for it in my opinion.

          I know there are some cop haters on this board, so be it, whatever floats your boat but they do have a job to do, not all of them are bad, and I sure as hell know if I was in their position I would likely react similarly. Lots of time to second guess after the fact but if it's a gun with a live round init, chances are if you second guess then you will be found dead.

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          • tom502
            Member
            • Feb 2009
            • 8985

            #6
            2 of the witnesses mention him having a gun in his pants waistband, in the post you posted.

            "It sounds like he was trying to show the police his gun by lifting up his shirt," Castillo said. "These guys, they fired prematurely."
            and:
            One person wrote, "I saw the whole thing go down from start to finish, and the cops were trigger happy. The guy never had a chance." "I was there, and I never saw this guy do anything with his gun," another person wrote. "The police started shooting immediately after ‘drop it' was yelled."


            So...... he was acting strange, throwing stuff on the floor, arguing with customers, and refusing to cooperate with police, and had a gun in his waistband.

            Ehhhhh..... seems like his fault going from what I have here, maybe he's nuts or on pcp, but still...

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            • dxh
              Member
              • Jun 2010
              • 340

              #7
              His gun was in a zippered holster. Kind of hard to do what the cops say he did if that is the case. I always side with the victim until I see evidence. I know how cops are. They lie and cover up all the time. There are good ones, but I always assume the worst. Grow up poor in a rich town, you will see a different side of cops.

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              • tom502
                Member
                • Feb 2009
                • 8985

                #8
                Something was making him act erradic. He should have placed his hands on his head and went to his knees.

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                • dxh
                  Member
                  • Jun 2010
                  • 340

                  #9
                  Quote from a friend:

                  I want to express indignation and disbelief I feel from the Costco incident this weekend. I knew the “alleged gunman” for only a short period of time but long enough to know that he was a happy individual enjoying life and a new love interest, not a potential “gunman” stalking a Costco in suburban Summerlin. The police clearly over reacted and used deadly force in reaction to the panicked description of someone “who has a gun”. Much like Erik, I have a long family military back ground, and served many years in the armed forces. I have a concealed weapons permit. I shared my knowledge of weapons with Erik and was impressed with his respect for gun safety and the law. He was an enthusiast not a “gun nut”. He had been a tank commander in the Army and had experience with weapons many of us would never get the opportunity to relate to. My own back ground was flying fighters in the Air Force and we enjoyed the banter that ex-military officers often share. On the day of the incident, he was shopping with his girl friend for household items to move in together, not the profile of someone about to shoot up an establishment. The reaction by this overly law abiding citizen that he was suddenly surrounded by police with drawn guns had to be disbelief and shock. What followed was absolutely tragic, unnecessary and most important a classic example of using deadly force when there were numerous non-lethal options available. That the incident was allowed to spiral out of control so fast with such a tragic result shows a lack of situation awareness and threat level by the police. Much can be attributed to the initial call from the Costco employee who described the individual as going berserk, evacuating the store and contributing to the atmosphere of mayhem that prevailed. Erik was a medical device representative that needed his Second Amendment rights to carry arms in response to the added threat that came with his job. To be gunned down in a suburban parking lot by the “good guys” is ironic tragedy. Those not familiar with protecting themselves or others with the means available to them may see his concealed weapons permit as an extreme act yet thousands carry guns concealed legally in response to those that carry them illegally. The concealed weapons permit is only issued after a full back ground check and mandatory class room instruction/ proficiency demonstration with a certified CCW instructor then issued by the Las Vegas police department. The public needs to know and understand this so the senseless tragedy that happened to Erik is not repeated.

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                  • sgreger1
                    Member
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 9451

                    #10
                    I think 7 shots is a bit excessive if the attempt was to "disarm" or neutralize the guy. That is my only complaint. If your walking around with a gun, which is fine, if cops tell you to get on the ground, you get on the ground. Reaching into your pants pocket or your waistline while you are carrying a concealed firearm will get you shot.


                    Shouldnt have shot him 7 times but I can see why this happened. Well have to wait and see what the videos show, I am guessing this was trigger happyness and they should have showed more discretion. The 9-11 call won't mean shit if the video surveilance shows him not reaching for a gun.

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                    • dxh
                      Member
                      • Jun 2010
                      • 340

                      #11
                      Originally posted by sgreger1 View Post
                      I think 7 shots is a bit excessive if the attempt was to "disarm" or neutralize the guy. That is my only complaint. If your walking around with a gun, which is fine, if cops tell you to get on the ground, you get on the ground. Reaching into your pants pocket or your waistline while you are carrying a concealed firearm will get you shot.


                      Shouldnt have shot him 7 times but I can see why this happened. Well have to wait and see what the videos show, I am guessing this was trigger happyness and they should have showed more discretion. The 9-11 call won't mean shit if the video surveilance shows him not reaching for a gun.
                      Well if they told him to drop the gun, he needs to pull it out of his waistband to do so. I have read a lot about this. Many witness say all the cops were yelling different orders.
                      "Drop the gun"
                      "Don't move"
                      "Get on the ground"

                      I think Costco plaid a huge role as well. Maybe saw he had a gun in his waist and over reacted? Not sure, but this seems odd when you read all of the witness accounts.
                      His girlfriend who was with him says it went down a lot different.
                      I want to see the videos, until then I am not buying any of it...

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                      • texasmade
                        Member
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 4159

                        #12
                        So what to do if the videos can't be released or can't be found or were damaged in the shootout or what ever.

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                        • kellindae
                          Member
                          • Jul 2010
                          • 61

                          #13
                          Imagine it happened this way.

                          Man loses it in Costco and kills 2 citizens while officers hesitate to use lethal force.

                          I'm trying to get in to law enforcement personally, and while I think officer involved shootings need to be thoroughly investigated, I really hate that so many in the public immediately jump to crucify the involved officers. Are there bad cops? Of course. And when a case has been investigated and the officer found to be criminally trigger happy or dirty I'll be right up there with everyone else if he or she doesn't get the punishment that fits the crime. But the more we condemn any officer involved shooting before all the facts are in or investigation done, the more we'll be tying up good officers hands and letting some really bad people kill others in that second or two hesitation. I've seen videos of cops badly injured or killed in the line of duty because they told the suspect to "drop it" or "get on the ground" too many times.

                          It's truly damned if you do, damned if you don't.

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                          • c.nash
                            Banned Users
                            • May 2010
                            • 3511

                            #14
                            Need more info, but honestly if he was acting strange and had a gun that he possibly reached for the cops had a right to open fire if commands weren't being obeyed and a threat was felt.

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                            • texasmade
                              Member
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 4159

                              #15
                              we'll wait for the video, but an ex vet and graduate from west point that was serious about gun safety...they don't get sloppy and do stupid shit.

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