Unemployment: NOT going away

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  • sgreger1
    Member
    • Mar 2009
    • 9451

    Unemployment: NOT going away

    Daily dose of depression (no pun intened ):



    I'm not sure it's sunk in yet within the political class (outside of economists) how horrible the prospects are for bringing the unemployment rate back to pre-Great Recession levels any time soon. And by soon, I don't mean November 2010. We're talking more like November 2015 or November 2020.
    Here's a chart from the Brookings Institution (via Ezra) that gives you some idea of the mammoth hill the economy has to climb to generate enough jobs to take up the slack in the labor market:




    The grim reality was brought home to me last month at a New America Foundation event where Laura D'Andrea Tyson, who chaired the Council of Economic Advisers under President Clinton, addressed the poor long-term prospects for closing the jobs gap.

    The "jobs gap" is the sum of the jobs lost during the recession plus the new additions to the ever-expanding labor force (which is substantial, between 125,000 and 144,000 a month, Tyson said). She assumed a jobs gap of 11 million jobs. The chart above assumes 11.3 million.

    "If you had net job growth of 200,000 a month, net job growth, it would take 12 years to close, to get that 11 million," Tyson said. "Okay, with net job growth of 350,000 a month, it'll take four years. What've we got right now? Well, for the last three months of this year, private sector jobs have been growing at 140,000 a month."

    Unless something changes -- and the deeply troubling current emphasis on deficit reduction suggests nothing will -- we're looking at a decade or more of chronically high unemployment. It's a situation that is not sustainable economically or politically.
  • dxh
    Member
    • Jun 2010
    • 340

    #2
    And all the mess that comes with that.
    High crime.
    Fading social infrastructure.
    Really not a pretty picture.

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    • danielan
      Member
      • Apr 2010
      • 1514

      #3
      We have 2 choices...

      War or Soylent Green

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      • sgreger1
        Member
        • Mar 2009
        • 9451

        #4
        Originally posted by dxh View Post
        And all the mess that comes with that.
        High crime.
        Fading social infrastructure.
        Really not a pretty picture.


        With less jobs comes less revenue, which means even MORE crisis for existing and proposed social fallback programs (especially unemployment). Once the gov runs out of money to give housing credits and other credits, programs, or bailouts, this will all start to get worse even faster. Right now they are putting bandaids on everything by trying to spend as fast as they can in hopes of reviving the economy, but the money will run out before the jobs return.

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        • dxh
          Member
          • Jun 2010
          • 340

          #5
          Originally posted by sgreger1 View Post
          the money will run out before the jobs return.
          I think you are right.
          I feel like the country is out of money already, borrowing is not the solution. I guess all of our money is borrowed from the fed. That needs to change.

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          • RobsanX
            Member
            • Aug 2008
            • 2030

            #6
            The conservate Chamber of Commerce loves seeing US jobs go overseas, then cry that the Democrats are anti-business when they try to do something about it. All while pretending that they are patriotic, flag waving, Americans. The people will wake up when there are finally no jobs left. Hopefully before there is no country left...

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            • sgreger1
              Member
              • Mar 2009
              • 9451

              #7
              Originally posted by RobsanX View Post
              The conservate Chamber of Commerce loves seeing US jobs go overseas, then cry that the Democrats are anti-business when they try to do something about it. All while pretending that they are patriotic, flag waving, Americans. The people will wake up when there are finally no jobs left. Hopefully before there is no country left...

              I agree they don't give a shit about jobs going overseas, but what is it the democrats have done to stop it? It must have completely went over my head, because as I recall, no one has done anything significant to stop jobs from going overseas for since, well, since we've had that problem to begin with.


              To quote Obama's hand-picked debt commission:

              "At present, federal revenue is fully consumed by three programs: Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid." "The rest of the federal government, including fighting two wars, homeland security, education, art, culture, you name it, veterans -- the whole rest of the discretionary budget is being financed by China and other countries."

              They go on to say that Obama's deficits are a "cancer" that will "destroy the country from within" unless halted soon.


              We are screwed on all fronts here. I really odn't believe there will be a recovery in any long-term sense of the meaning. A full recovery may take 15-20 years. Do you think our current spending and business policies will allow us to last that long without further collapse?

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              • RobsanX
                Member
                • Aug 2008
                • 2030

                #8
                Originally posted by sgreger1 View Post
                I agree they don't give a shit about jobs going overseas, but what is it the democrats have done to stop it? It must have completely went over my head, because as I recall, no one has done anything significant to stop jobs from going overseas for since, well, since we've had that problem to begin with.
                Not nearly as much as they should, but a lot more than the Republicans. It's clear that the Republicans don't give a rats ass about American workers because they filibustered funding for the unemployment that their banker cronies caused. I don't see how anybody who works for a living could vote Republican, but they have a good line with the "Gays are coming for your guns and Bibles." bullshit. It works every time...

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                • myuserid
                  Member
                  • Jun 2010
                  • 1645

                  #9
                  Originally posted by danielan View Post
                  We have 2 choices...

                  War or Soylent Green

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                  • sgreger1
                    Member
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 9451

                    #10
                    Originally posted by RobsanX View Post
                    Not nearly as much as they should, but a lot more than the Republicans. It's clear that the Republicans don't give a rats ass about American workers because they filibustered funding for the unemployment that their banker cronies caused. I don't see how anybody who works for a living could vote Republican, but they have a good line with the "Gays are coming for your guns and Bibles." bullshit. It works every time...




                    Ive always voted republican and never thought gays were coming for our guns or bibles. But could you please explain what you mean when you say they have done "a lot more" than republicans to stop jobs from going overseas? I don't see how anyone who works for a living could vote democrat, who generally advocate higher taxes and anti-business policies. Not just for big corps and banks, but for small businesses as well, which are the backbone of our economy. And why complain about republicans and unemployment if you care so much about hurting banks. Obama has handed out more corporate welfare than any president in history, and issued record setting multi billion dollar bonuses to CEO's at most of the failing financial institutions that got us into this mess in the first place! Is this what you wish your money to be spent on, PLUS 2 wars? We simply cannot afford it.

                    So, what more is it that they have done? Please enlighten me what democrats have done that republicans havn't? As far as i'm concerned, both of them have done shit to stop it. The republicans are voting against the unemployment extension because as of right now you can already be on unemployment for 2 years (or more with some exclusions and loopholes). That is long enough, if you cannot find work in two years its time to look for a different kind of job. We cannot afford it. Even the EU is now focusing on deficit reduction, even Obama's own hand picked budget comittee told him that there is no way we can continue this. We can't just have everyone on unemployment for the next 10 years, we simply do not have the money.


                    Please name 1 thing democrats have done that's less sucky than the republicans? Right now both of their track records are shit and neither is better than the other.

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                    • Ozark
                      Member
                      • Apr 2010
                      • 36

                      #11
                      Figures don't lie, but liars figure. - Samuel Clemens

                      Show the same graph with figures from the late 70's and early 80's. Anyone remember home loans at 14.5%? Remember members the Ford administration wearing the WIN (Whip Inflation Now) lapel pins? Remember when the USA would always have approx. 7-8% unemployment?

                      It's all relative to your life experiences.

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                      • texasmade
                        Member
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 4159

                        #12
                        I know unemployment isn't going away here.

                        Last I checked unemployment for this county was 10.3 unemployment for this city was 12.4

                        we just had 2 more production plants close down laying off around 500 people and another contemplating closing.

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                        • RobsanX
                          Member
                          • Aug 2008
                          • 2030

                          #13
                          Originally posted by sgreger1 View Post




                          [FONT=Arial][SIZE=2]Ive always voted republican...
                          They just passed the banking/Wall Street regulation bill which is something that was desperately needed. Deregulation is what got us into this mess in the first place. Wall Street assholes playing fast and loose with peoples money, then jumping out just in time to save their own asses. The Republicans cry Socialism, but they sure as hell are Socialists when it suits them (i.e. bailout). The problem is they want to privatize the profits, and socialize the losses. Meanwhile millions are out of work.

                          I don't want to hurt banks, but banks shouldn't be mixing "toxic assets" with peoples checking accounts. I'm against corporate welfare, outrageous CEO bonuses, the wars (now), etc.

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                          • Bigblue1
                            Banned Users
                            • Dec 2008
                            • 3923

                            #14
                            Unfortunately un-employment benefits are going away. You can't give that TARP money to the people, when the banks really need it. I really can't wait to see what happens to the dems in a few months. Gonna be a lot of disenchanted voters. The bad part is they will either elect republicans or soon to be manipulated politicians who won't be able to say no to the corporate lobbyists either.....

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                            • Jimbob_Rebel
                              Member
                              • Jun 2010
                              • 169

                              #15
                              Originally posted by RobsanX View Post
                              They just passed the banking/Wall Street regulation bill which is something that was desperately needed. Deregulation is what got us into this mess in the first place. Wall Street assholes playing fast and loose with peoples money, then jumping out just in time to save their own asses. The Republicans cry Socialism, but they sure as hell are Socialists when it suits them (i.e. bailout). The problem is they want to privatize the profits, and socialize the losses. Meanwhile millions are out of work.

                              I don't want to hurt banks, but banks shouldn't be mixing "toxic assets" with peoples checking accounts. I'm against corporate welfare, outrageous CEO bonuses, the wars (now), etc.
                              I don't think we need more regulation meaning government engagement. The free market is perfectly capable of regulating itself so long as you don't have the state introducing moral hazards such as implicit guaruntees of bailouts and such. You seem to have a good handle on that with your avowed dislike for corporate welfare,but the bankers would not have kept rolling the dice were it not for the existance of the FM's and their willingness to buy up every sub prime mortgage in the country.

                              Both parties suck.

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