All Your Gold Are Belong To ObamaCare

[sgreger1]

All the more reason to stick with silver for your metals investing. Gold is starting to look like a bubble anyway, IMO. Or silver is ridiculously under-priced. Either way.

Yah Gold is massively overpriced right now and is part of a huge bubble caused by Obamamania. Not a good investment right now. Silver is massively underpriced right now and is very cheap, additionally if the economy actually did collapse, silver comes in smaller denominations good for trade, gold has little value on the street because it's too hard to break off a dollar's worth to buy some food.




If anyone is planning for the apocalypse, seriousely you don't need Gold or food or bullets or anything. If you stock massive amounts of alcohol and tobacco (snus since it stores longer), you will be good. In a post-armageddon world, there is NOTHING more valuable than a bottle of whiskey, and with alcohol and tobacco you could procure anything you wanted from anyone. After living in a fallout 3 style post apocalyptical wasteland scourged by nuclear war and famine, people would gladly hand you their kids for a bottle of whiskey and a smoke. All this buying gold and shit is a bad strategy, liquor has an intrinsic value that will never go away!

[RobsanX]

Most countries have Estate or inheritance taxes. Ours was repealed but has a sunset on the repeal after this year. If you think about an Estate tax someone earned money and paid taxes all their life, and that money has been taxed, only to be taxed tremendously upon being handed down to someone else in the family. So in some cases the government can take up to 60% of the total amount after all the taxation combined. Sounds fair doesn't it?

Conservatives hate it when a single mother gets a few bucks for food, but are perfectly fine when someone get thousands or millions from a rich uncle. Weird...

[texastorm]

Conservatives hate it when a single mother gets a few bucks for food, but are perfectly fine when someone get thousands or millions from a rich uncle. Weird...

I grew up on welfare, my sister still lives on welfare and she is 45. She has worked about 3 months out of her entire life. I grew up in Texas watching illegal immigrants get amnesty, free health care, free food, and free education because we rewarded them for breaking immigration laws. I worked for every dime I have, and I give generously to those in need. I however refuse to support people who wont do for themselves.

Our country was much better off before entitlement programs.

So as a non christian Bush hating conservative I agree with your statement in the context of government. I would however help out a mother in need. And I do some volunteer work when I have time at a local food bank. But government need not be involved.

EDIT to add, if I have no rich relatives. I just see the idiocy in double taxation.

[RobsanX]

How's that weird?

The rich uncle earned the money and paid taxes on it while he was earning it. I'm not involved in this transaction at all. Why would I have an opinion on it?

The wealth transfer situation is different. I'm not against a legitimate, limited duration safety net, but it should not be anyone's long-term plan. I get to have an opinion on it because I am, at least partially, funding it.

The "weird" part is a sarcastic commentary on the priorities of conservative politicians. It's actually not weird at all, but business as usual for that side.

They rail against the unemployed, the working poor, and those on assistance, but they fight tooth and nail for those who did nothing more than be the strongest sperm in the bunch.

[sgreger1]

Conservatives hate it when a single mother gets a few bucks for food, but are perfectly fine when someone get thousands or millions from a rich uncle. Weird...

This is an ugly sterotype that is not only completely biased and not based in reality, but also extremely untrue. I know very few people who have a problem with "giving a mother a few bucks for food". The only complaints I have heard are about programs that allow mothers to never work and get $1,900 a month in welfare for doing nothing their entire lives. Nearly all conservatives approve of short term safety nets. I don't agree with corporate welfare either, but for some reason you think that only conservatives give out corporate welfare to the rich? Are you aware that the amount of corporate welfare given out in just the past year under democratic rule has exceeded all previous administrations? Democrats are the champions of corporate welfare, and are no less guilty than republicans, yet republicans somehow get a bad rap as only wanting to help the rich.


Republicans (the religious right) are responsible for a great many of the donations to shelters and other charities. Church donations to charities are what funds half of the charity system, and you can thank republicans for that. They would just prefer to elect giving that charity money as opposed to having the government garnish their wages (via taxes) to obtain and then distribute said charity money as it sees fit.





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Republicans introduced and strongly supported the welfare reform of 1996, which was signed into law by Democratic President Clinton, and which limited eligibility for welfare, successfully leading to many former welfare recipients finding jobs.[15][16]

[RobsanX]

Federal welfare is not forever. It's for five years during which time recipients are either training or actively seeking work.

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/opa/fact_shee...factsheet.html

[sgreger1]

Federal welfare is not forever. It's for five years during which time recipients are either training or actively seeking work.

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/opa/fact_shee...factsheet.html

LOLOLOLOLOL, wow man youve never lived in the ghetto huh? There are so many loopholes and exlcusions that entire societies of people live off welfare for YEARS and YEARS. This is the same with any entitlement program, there is always a loophole that allows you to get it for longer, and when you live in the communities that regularly do this, you learn all the tricks.


Robansx, I know you cna't be that naive. It's like unemployment, as mentioned above my uncle has been on it for 4 years, yet if you look up the law it says the max is 2 years, it's all about loopholes and exclusions. The funniest part, if I were to argue for the left, is that historically the majority of welfare recipients are actually white republicans in the southern states, not your local ghetto filled with minorities, yet I hear conservatives often making a claim of the opposite.

[RobsanX]

I'd like to know what loopholes you are talking about. I admit that California might have some that I'm not aware of. If you are talking about fraud, then that's a different story.

[texastorm]

The "weird" part is a sarcastic commentary on the priorities of conservative politicians. It's actually not weird at all, but business as usual for that side.

They rail against the unemployed, the working poor, and those on assistance, but they fight tooth and nail for those who did nothing more than be the strongest sperm in the bunch.

If my family worked for something, I am entitled to it. After all its my family, and our sperm and eggs.

If my family works for something, how is it YOUR family is also entitled to it?

Socialism at its best right there.

So what if some dumbass college grad inherits a million dollars and blows it on cocaine and whores. After the whores and drug dealers spend it back into the economy, maybe you will get a better job. That is if your not on welfare. Which it sounds much like you are the way you defend it. Remember I came from welfare. I know what it is like to go to the store with my brothers and sisters and each buy a 2 cent piece of gum with a 1 dollar food stamp to get change for my mothers cigarettes and beer. Then the cards came along, and to this day I get offered food stamp cards in front of grocery stores from people trying to sell them for cash. Offering half of the value on the card in cash.

While I have never been considered wealthy, I would not want a repressive government standing in my way if I came up with a billion dollar idea. I would gladly feed the homeless, but if forced to feed them by giving to a bureaucracy that can't even balance it's own budget, then I have to say thats where I draw the line. I know when I give a homeless guy 20 bucks... he got 20 bucks. When I give it to the government, he gets less than a dollar of it. If he spends my 20 bucks on booze and smokes... thats his problem.

I am not completely opposed to a minimal assistance program. However like I said my sister has been on welfare HER WHOLE LIFE... It is VERY possible to abuse the system. People that live off the system dont have to work.

So am I saying that the few ruin it for the many? Hell yes they do. So everyone should have a limit on the amount of time they can spend on welfare. Or make welfare itself, a mandatory 2 year vocational school, complete with childcare, and you can only do it ONCE your whole life. Force the real leeches to get work, and I will support any program.

[sgreger1]

I'd like to know what loopholes you are talking about. I admit that California might have some that I'm not aware of. If you are talking about fraud, then that's a different story.

I don't abuse the welfare system so I am not personally familiar with all of the tricks of the trade, however i'm sure you could google. Do you truly in your heart believe no one recieves welfare beenfits longer than 5 years? What planet are you on man really, I just can't believe someone could be living in a bubble for their entire life like this. Of course it's fraud and abuse, and it's so widespread that it costs us billions of dollars. Aside from what it costs us to provide the free welfare money, it also costs the economy because these individuals are not gainfully employed.

For you to say the gop or anyone has a problem with giving a few bucks for food to a single mother shows that you do not understand the nature of the argument against long term welfare benefits. And here you get $1900 a month for some benefits programs, which is more than minimum wage. And furthermore, half of the welfare money is spent on drugs. Sure you can google the law and see that it is distributed in EBT cards that can only purchase housing or food, but there are a million scams that can be used to get cash for them. Hell in CA you can use strip club or casino ATM's to withdrawl money from your foodstamps card! CASH!


I just don't see how you don't get the argument here. No one is opposed to a safety net, what we are opposed to is supporting a welfare state where there is an entire segment of society that is living off free money that is garnished from my check and given to others for free. I don't mind paying an extra 4% tax to give the poor healthcare or to feed the hungry, I believe even the biggest loser drug addict on the planet deserves to eat and get medical treatment, but the fraud and abuse is so vast that there are people getting 10's or hundreds of thousands of dollars off of our broken systems, and surely you would agree that this is not sustainable, right?

[sgreger1]

Abuse is extremely widespread, and we lose tens of billions each year to welfare, SSI, and medical fraud. Many times these individuals are illegals. For you to pretend like this isn't a problem is beyond me. THIS IS NOT ABOUT GIVING A MOTHER A FEW BUCKS FOR FOOD.

April 2007 – Los Angeles County
Through their citizen children, illegal immigrants in Los Angeles County collect $420 million annually in welfare and food stamps, according to a report requested by 5th District County Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich. The Los Angeles County Department of Public Social Services told the supervisor that payments to illegal immigrants' children amount to approximately 24% of the county's combined CalWORKS and food stamps budget. According to Antonovich's office, illegal immigrants annually cost the county $360 million in health care and $220 million in incarceration costs.

June 2006 – Los Angeles County
Welfare recipients and their friends and relatives defrauded taxpayers of $500 million a year through the county's child care programs, a grand jury report concluded. The report found that nearly half the $1.1 billion CalWORKS child care program is lost to fraud. DPSS staff said the grand jury study shouldn't be used to draw conclusions about child-care fraud because it was not specifically a fraud study.

May 2007 – Los Angeles County
While exact figures are difficult to tally, experts estimate as much as $300 billion a year is lost to health care fraud in the United States - more than half of it to organized crime. Medi-Cal spends about $34 billion annually to provide care for about 7 million indigent Californians - with about $3 billion of that lost to fraud, experts say. The state Attorney General's Office has a bureau that deals specifically with Medi-Cal fraud. It's prosecuted about 1,000 such cases over the past eight years - double the number for the previous eight years. Most, officials say, are related to organized crime.

September 2008 – Stanislaus County
Stanislaus County District Attorney Birgit Fladager announced today that fourteen defendants were found guilty during the month of September 2008 of having
committed Welfare Fraud or closely related crimes as a result of their failures to reveal on their applications for Cash Aid, Food Stamps, or Child Care benefits that they were not eligible for such benefits. Read More

August 2008 – Stanislaus County
Two Modestans were convicted recently of welfare fraud, according to statements from the Stanislaus County district attorney's office. Kenneth Eurdean Hopper III, 40, applied for food stamps even though a felony conviction disqualified him from receiving such aid. He was sentenced to one year in jail after he pleaded no contest to welfare fraud, a felony, and being under the influence of marijuana, a misdemeanor. Feleni F. Leota, 32, applied for cash aid and food stamps even though she worked two jobs, earning $19,000 annually. She was sentenced to 240 hours of community service after she pleaded no contest to felony welfare fraud.


January 2008 – Ventura County
A Simi Valley woman was recently arrested on charges of welfare fraud, identity theft, and committing a new felony offense while on bail. The accused allegedly received $1,694 in cash and food stamps, for which she was not legally eligible, by using fake Social Security numbers similar to her own. The charges also included allegations of identity theft and perjury. She was arrested on the new charges in Simi Valley without incident on January 4. Bail was set at $100,000.

June 2007 – Butte County
Eight people were arrested for welfare fraud by investigators from the Butte County District Attorney's Office on the morning of Thursday, June 7, 2007. District Attorney Mike Ramsey made the announcement of the arrests in a press release.

May 2007 – Los Angeles County
To curb welfare fraud, Supervisor Michael D. Antonovich introduced a motion to provide fraud detection and prevention training to all County staff who administer public assistance programs and incorporate “data mining” technology in the Department of Public and Social Services Data warehouse. Currently, the State and County are individually responsible for investigating fraud in their respective programs. This past year, the State’s successful “data mining” program recovered a record $274 million in funds stolen from Medi-Cal. Additionally, on March 21, 2006, the Board approved a motion to develop an interagency Data Warehouse, which DPSS began implementing in July 2007.


May 2007 – Los Angeles County
Lana M. and her husband collected welfare benefits in 2003, claiming they earned less than $24,000. But authorities say Lana M., the former office manager of a job-training center for immigrant welfare recipients, also owned a liquor store and recycling business. Authorities say, she drove a $76,000 luxury car, shopped at Neiman Marcus and Saks Fifth Avenue and had $147,980 stashed in her bedroom dresser.

March 2007 – Arizona/California
KINGMAN - A Bullhead City woman was sentenced in Phoenix to two months in county jail for illegal using food stamps. Rita M. made false statements on welfare applications on 10 different occasions between August 2000 and September 2004. On the applications, she misstated her income and the number of children she had, and failed to tell the Arizona Department of Economic Security that she already received substantial adoption payments from California. She pleaded guilty to fraudulent schemes and practices with other charges being dismissed. Rita M. was also sentenced to three years’ probation and ordered to pay $54,725 in restitution.

March 2007 – Butte County
OROVILLE -- A Paradise woman was sentenced to six months in jail for committing fraud while already in the county jail for a fraud conviction. Lotheda B. was first convicted in November 2005 for defrauding the county Welfare Department of $4,241 in aid. After the conviction, she drew IHSS wages for caring for her mother. A check by the District Attorney's Office IHSS fraud unit found she had claimed to be caring for her mother during the period she was in jail. She was again arrested and charged with defrauding the IHSS system of $646. Lotheda B. was sentenced to 180 days in the county jail, reimbursement, and additional community service. She will face three years probation upon release.


February 2007 – Ventura County
Valie M. was sentence to six months in jail and three years' probation after she pleaded guilty last month to one count of welfare fraud and two counts of grand theft. She pleaded guilty in January 2007 to pocketing money the state paid her live-in boyfriend so he could take care of her two children. She illegally took housing funds, food stamps, child care and welfare payments totaling about $33,000, including $19,232 for child care services, according to prosecutors.

November 2006 – Los Angeles County
The woman whose son was at the center of last year's Michael Jackson trial has pleaded no contest to welfare fraud. Prosecutors contended that she applied for welfare without disclosing she had money from an insurance settlement. Her attorney said her client "felt she had a viable defense" to the welfare fraud charge, but the attorney says the woman wants to "move on with her life" and not put her family through "a major trial." The woman was ordered to complete 150 hours of community service and pay $8,600 restitution by April 27th.

[tom502]

Failed welfare socialist America. And the left wants more of it.

[RobsanX]

I agree that people who are committing fraud should be punished. Those are criminals that are costing the taxpayers money. Crime is a completely different issue than legitimate assistance, and welfare fraud spans all economic levels.

[sgreger1]

I agree that people who are committing fraud should be punished. Those are criminals that are costing the taxpayers money. Crime is a completely different issue than legitimate assistance, and welfare fraud spans all economic levels.

Welcome to the GOP. That is exactly what they have been fighting for for decades. So why do you think republicans are wrong for thinking exactly what you said above? Why do you instead side with the democrats who have faught against welfare reform since the beginning?

[Joe234]

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