Ignorance?

[texasmade]

McVeigh was not on a Christian jihad, he did not do it in the name of Jesus.
Islamic terrorists though, do it in the name of their religion, and their god Allah.

These 2 are not comparable.

Allah is the same God that christians and jews worship.

A religious institution is a religious institution and it is a house of God within abrahamic religions.

Timothy Mcveigh is portrayed as a terrorist because he spoke out against the government and bombed a building.

The Taliban told the Bush administration that if they attacked Jihad was an obligation, they offered to hand over Osama bin Laden if the US could show them evidence that he did it since we claimed we had it, but we couldn't produce it.

[sgreger1]

Hey, can someone remind me real quick when the last time christians took over (by force) an entire government and then murdered the citizens who didnt comply with the new rules? Difficulty: has to be during the last, oh lets say 4 centuries.

[texasmade]

Hey, can someone remind me real quick when the last time christians took over (by force) an entire government and then murdered the citizens who didnt comply with the new rules? Difficulty: has to be during the last, oh lets say 4 centuries.

all through history. even putting all of the things done by muslims in the name of Islam together you couldn't touch what christians have done in the name of their religion.

[texastorm]

all through history. even putting all of the things done by muslims in the name of Islam together you couldn't touch what christians have done in the name of their religion.

Prove that in the context of the last 4 centuries

Not saying your wrong mind you, but it would be the first I ever heard of recent Christian war in the name of their God. Also I am not a Christian, just so you know.

[Darwin]

They both have killed millions. Keeping an exact score is impossible but the conquest, persecutions, and subjugations perpetrated in Allah's name can indeed "touch" the similarly justified mayhem wrought in Christianity's name.

[dreed2]

This is America, where people can follow any religion they want.

Hopefully the PACT Act will be overturned as being unconstitutional, as well, because our freedom is at stake. Freedom to access a safer alternative to smoking is now against the law in the three banned states of America (Massachusetts, Iowa, and South Dakota) and the other states are dealing with PACT, which also limits their freedom.

[texasmade]

Prove that in the context of the last 4 centuries

Not saying your wrong mind you, but it would be the first I ever heard of recent Christian war in the name of their God. Also I am not a Christian, just so you know.

what do you consider recent?

If you go with history then the Taiping Rebellion would be considered recent.

[Darwin]

We've scarcely mentioned the cost in blood of sectarian conflicts which may in fact dwarf all the others. Usually a believer's worst enemy is not the infidel but rather a coreligionist with a slightly different "one true way".

[texastorm]

what do you consider recent?

If you go with history then the Taiping Rebellion would be considered recent.

Cool. Thats is a war. A war based in a historically oppressive country, especially concerning religion.

So when exactly did they (the Christians faction in question) do their suicide missions? Because I (easily) can find references to about 400 suicide missions of Islamic extremist origin in the last 30 years alone.

I still can't find any Christian "extremist" suicide bombers dying for God (to get a special place in heaven)in recent history.

[Darwin]

Yeah even when one of the lads in Northern Ireland wanted to make quit of a few prots/papists he was rarely if ever gung ho enough to drape the C4 around his actual person before setting it off. Muslim suicide bombers are possessed of incredible amounts of bravery which is only equaled by their incredible stupidity.

[texasmade]

Cool. Thats is a war. A war based in a historically oppressive country, especially concerning religion.

So when exactly did they (the Christians faction in question) do their suicide missions? Because I (easily) can find references to about 400 suicide missions of Islamic extremist origin in the last 30 years alone.

I still can't find any Christian "extremist" suicide bombers dying for God (to get a special place in heaven)in recent history.

You can't beat an enemy that wants to die. Jihad is basically fighting back as much as or more than the other person fights back once it is initiated.
Christians don't have rules for holy wars, they just say This is for God, or God wants this.

[texastorm]

Dont get me wrong I am not saying that being a Muslim is wrong. I am not a god, and only a true God could say that being a Muslim is wrong.

I am saying that the pacifist Muslims aren't adept enough at distancing themselves from their extreme brethren.

The Troubles in Ireland though somewhat political along with religious still ought to tell you that even Christians fight amongst themselves. But I am fairly certain if one sect of Christianity started committing atrocities in the name of God against non Christians. Nearly ALL the other divisions of Christianity would condemn and deny that that was part of the Christian faith. Something I rarely(meaning never yet) see from Muslims is the distancing and condemnation of their evil brethren.

[texasmade]

Dont get me wrong I am not saying that being a Muslim is wrong. I am not a god, and only a true God could say that being a Muslim is wrong.

I am saying that the pacifist Muslims aren't adept enough at distancing themselves from their extreme brethren.

The Troubles in Ireland though somewhat political along with religious still ought to tell you that even Christians fight amongst themselves. But I am fairly certain if one sect of Christianity started committing atrocities in the name of God against non Christians. Nearly ALL the other divisions of Christianity would condemn and deny that that was part of the Christian faith. Something I rarely(meaning never yet) see from Muslims is the distancing and condemnation of their evil brethren.

You said it in your 3rd sentence. They don't distance themselves. There are different sects and then there are the muslims that say there is no caste and there are no sects. They may say that what the extremists do are wrong or that they do not represent the muslim community as a whole, but they will not damn another of their own. You could look at it like this. A child and his cousin from a family kills people, now that whole family is full of murderers. That Doesn't make sense. Some families would disown them and say they aren't like us. others would say, They aren't like us but they come from us so we won't damn them and disown them. The muslims would be the latter.

[texastorm]

You said it in your 3rd sentence. They don't distance themselves. There are different sects and then there are the muslims that say there is no caste and there are no sects. They may say that what the extremists do are wrong or that they do not represent the muslim community as a whole, but they will not damn another of their own. You could look at it like this. A child and his cousin from a family kills people, now that whole family is full of murderers. That Doesn't make sense. Some families would disown them and say they aren't like us. others would say, They aren't like us but they come from us so we won't damn them and disown them. The muslims would be the latter.

And that difference in lifestyle and opinion is the very reason acceptance would be impossible, EXCEPT to another person of Muslim faith. For instance I can accept that your brother might be a murderer and you aren't. But I would strongly consider you a potential murderer if you stood by his right to practice murder based on a shared religious belief.

Its still apples and orangutans.

[justintempler]

If you want religious freedom in America that means that everybody has that freedom, not just Christians.

I am an atheist and have no love for Islam.
If you don't want a mosque built near ground zero, I say fine, then we wil not allow any churches near ground zero either.
Religous freedom means everybody has the right to be equally offended.