The Breakup of the United States

[tom502]

I'd want an MP-38, or 40.

[RobsanX]

Mainly my thing is money. If we somehow (and its unlikely) dismantled the feds and left the union, our currency would collapse overnight. Many states, such as mine (CA), rely heavily on commerce with other states/countries to stay afloat. If we didn't sell all the agriculture products we do or sell all the movies we do, the whole place would collapse to civil unrest in an instant.

Exactly. Currency would instantly turn into toilet paper, and then what? People would have to fight for food, fuel, and every other necessity. This "professor" must be living on Fantasy Island...

[tom502]

Or Gilligan's Island?

[truthwolf1]

They don't work well against the drones that have their sites on you.
Not to mention laser guided missiles and tanks.

Yes, they have quite the show of weapons but there will also be patriots in the military.
Look at the damage of a bunch of insurgents who cannot shoot straight did in Iraq. Imagine those same tactics here with better marksman. I think the American Revolution was fought with only 3 percent of the citizens against a empire. We will have over 25 percent unemployed and if they get hungry watch out!
Although I doubt that it is going to be that way. I see a major tax revolt which will shut down the fed once people start seeing more neighbors houses, cars being taken away. Perestroika had some skirmishes but was over pretty quickly.

[snusgetter]

Or Gilligan's Island?

Ain't nothin' wrong with Fantasy Island...



DREAM A LITTLE DREAM...

[LaZeR]

Ain't nothin' wrong with Fantasy Island...



DREAM A LITTLE DREAM...

Awesome! I can see that pic here at work!!!111

[sgreger1]

Yes, they have quite the show of weapons but there will also be patriots in the military.
Look at the damage of a bunch of insurgents who cannot shoot straight did in Iraq. Imagine those same tactics here with better marksman. I think the American Revolution was fought with only 3 percent of the citizens against a empire. We will have over 25 percent unemployed and if they get hungry watch out!
Although I doubt that it is going to be that way. I see a major tax revolt which will shut down the fed once people start seeing more neighbors houses, cars being taken away. Perestroika had some skirmishes but was over pretty quickly.

I agree, it was 20% though I believe, but a major army would be helpless in the long run against a guerilla force, especially when were fighting against our own army. And also, the kids in the army aren't about to go shooting their own families and neighbors, the american military is very different from places like south america.

But a tax revolt is impossible. The majority of people in the US get their money by working for someone. The employer takes your taxes out before they pay you, therefore you cannot NOT pay your taxes. Unless everyone claimed 20 kids on their W-4 at the beginning of the year and then come tax time didn't pay any of the money they owed back, but that's too complicated for 300 million people to pull off.

[truthwolf1]

I agree, it was 20% though I believe, but a major army would be helpless in the long run against a guerilla force, especially when were fighting against our own army. And also, the kids in the army aren't about to go shooting their own families and neighbors, the american military is very different from places like south america.

But a tax revolt is impossible. The majority of people in the US get their money by working for someone. The employer takes your taxes out before they pay you, therefore you cannot NOT pay your taxes. Unless everyone claimed 20 kids on their W-4 at the beginning of the year and then come tax time didn't pay any of the money they owed back, but that's too complicated for 300 million people to pull off.

For people that have to pay in with a check like myself and also vote this could be a big issue for the FED.
For the other half that dont pay or vote you are correct, they will not be changing their W2's anytime soon.

I would bring up Property Tax but that is what will keep your state going once the FED collapses. This however is a large chunk of cash to pay once you dont have a job and could get ugly or just nulled in a collapse situation.

[sgreger1]

For people that have to pay in with a check like myself and also vote this could be a big issue for the FED.
For the other half that dont pay or vote you are correct, they will not be changing their W2's anytime soon.

I would bring up Property Tax but that is what will keep your state going once the FED collapses. This however is a large chunk of cash to pay once you dont have a job and could get ugly or just nulled in a collapse situation.

With so many people out of work, you might not have to do anything. People not working dont pay taxes and people who are broke tend to try and cheat more often on their taxes. This is why they are hiring 16,000 new IRS agents to try and up the tax collection. It is also why the healthcare bill mandates a 1099 for anything over $600, that way they can track even the smallest of purchases and tax them accordingly.


And now we learn the new financial reform bill has a little publicized section in it that says they are exempt from any type of transparency and do not have to asnwer any Freedom of Information requests. So much for transparency.

[Jimbob_Rebel]

Oh I realize it's been dead for years. I didn't mean we need to keep our constitution, I just think that it would be difficult to govern 50 states without some kind of common set of rules between us. There would have to be some kind of unifying document that states a common code of conduct or set of rules for it to work. Otherwise we would have 50 states all acting as soverign nations, absent of any union between them, which would lead to very bad things in my opinion. Having 50 different sets of commerce rules would make trade difficult, and I could easily picture how quickly landwars between states would break out.

Don't get me wrong, I would kinda like to keep our constitution. While not perfect, it could be much worse. If you'll go back to the beginnings of our republic, we did start out with 13 soveriegn states and ought to, in theory, have 50 soveriegn states today. The constitution delegated to the federal government certain specific powers and duties such as making treaties and regulating interstate commerce(not meaning "prohibit" as with the PACT Act but to maintain free trade between the states).What changed the balance of power, ended state soveriegnty, and concentrated all power in D.C.? That would be the american Sulla...........Abraham Lincoln and his bloody war which preserved the union at the cost of the republic. I'm not sure that it could be said that the constitution failed...........no piece of paper has the inherent power to regulate the activities of men. It might have served as a guidepost showing us the way or as a light house warning us off the rocks but men have become ignorant of the constitution or else content to let federal judges tell us what the plain language of the constitution and bill of rights really means.

In any event, I don't think a trade war or land war between Kansas and Nebraska could be anywhere near as bad as what we have today. In the aforementioned scenario, you could flee to Missouri but there's no escaping the grasp of Mordor on the Potomic. Snusers still smarting over our recent intimate encounter with the federal government and their PACT Act shouldn't have any problem seeing where I'm coming from here.

[Jimbob_Rebel]

Actually there werent any rich in soviet union. Any entrepeneur was practically equal to a murderer and was sent to jail. No business was allowed. Altough there were people who were better off and had benefits, like having a licence to buy a car etc. Everything was owned by the gov. and everyone was supposed to be equal.

Though there were blood shed, like people run over by the tanks and shot.
But one of famoused was the baltic chain where people held their hands through baltics over hundreds of km

That's interresting What year did that hand-holding event take place? This is the kind of event which popularizes the cause of local soveriegnty and freedom and causes the regeime to lose face.

[Jimbob_Rebel]

I'd want an MP-38, or 40.

That's a beautifull weapon, but for a long gun you'll want something in a carbine or full sized rifle caliber. The Ruger Mini-14 and AR-15 fire something like a glorified varmint round but it is effective out to about 400 yards (NO 9mm carbine can make this claim) and at closer ranges one might encounter in perimeter defense in wooded or built up areas the 223 is about the most lethal available exceting maybe the 12 ga. slug.

I'd go with a quality AR before a mini-14.......it's just a couple hundred dollars more. Everyone makes aceseries and magazines for the AR and the AR is capable of tack driving accuracy. Still, anything you get is better than nothing but be sure to practice with whatever you do get. Owning a gun doesn't make you a warrior any more than owning a piano makes you a musician.

[Jimbob_Rebel]

Yes, they have quite the show of weapons but there will also be patriots in the military.
Look at the damage of a bunch of insurgents who cannot shoot straight did in Iraq. Imagine those same tactics here with better marksman. I think the American Revolution was fought with only 3 percent of the citizens against a empire. We will have over 25 percent unemployed and if they get hungry watch out!
Although I doubt that it is going to be that way. I see a major tax revolt which will shut down the fed once people start seeing more neighbors houses, cars being taken away. Perestroika had some skirmishes but was over pretty quickly.

Add to that, the armed might of the U.S. wasn't able to subdue Iraq..............yes, we wound up buying off the shiites. There's no way they could mount a similar effort in the continental U.S.. If you take a look at 4th gen warfare, state forces have only managed to win one of the many insurgencies, that would be Malaya but there were special circumstances at play there.

[Jimbob_Rebel]

Exactly. Currency would instantly turn into toilet paper, and then what? People would have to fight for food, fuel, and every other necessity. This "professor" must be living on Fantasy Island...

Our currency.........the U.S. dollar, is headed for toilet paper status anyway in the not-so-distant future.

[Jimbob_Rebel]

I purchase this AR-15 the first of the month, this gun is amazing to shoot. I'll be ready if something went down!

Nice M4.who made it? Got any mag pull polymer mags for it yet?