Discussion on: TIME TRAVEL

[Roo]

Tom, stop hailing Hitler man. Please, stop the praise hitler things.

Seriously dude. The forum is really suffering because of it. Imagine how many people come on here curious about snus and see so much of your Hitler bullshit. Every ****ing thread it seems eventually veers toward Hitler. Seriously, what is the problem there? Are we in the time travel thread? It could be any ****ing thread as long as there is some reference to Hitler. I'm getting sick of it and kind of getting sick of snuson because of it. You're the only one who likes it, so please **** off with it.

Edit: you're not the only one who likes to discuss the Hitler or the Holocaust, that much is obvious, but no one else idolizes him nor do we feel compelled to bring Nazis and their "superior science" into half of the discussions here.

Edit2: Sorry ol' Tom. lost my cool. I didn't really say anything I didn't mean though. Peace

[tom502]

I'll try and stop mentioning good ole Adolf. Instead, I'll say Kim Jong Il, as he's another favorite of mine, with cool symbolism, nice country, uniforms, science, anti-hero, plus he's not associated with certain controversial things like the other guy is.

[Darwin]

I have a feeling that we might, with a few hundred years of technological advances and virtually limitless power, be able get information from times past. That is we might be able to see events but not actually be able to influence them. This would eliminate any paradox effects.

Regarding those calculations that would be needed to determine an exact point in space for an exact point in time that would be stupendously difficult. Not only would the calculations have to be accurate to one part in several quintillion but in like wise any putative mechanism would require similarly ultra-fine resolution to get the job done without causing the time traveler really big problems. An additional incredibly tricky calculation would be required to match the relative movement of a particular spot on the Earth's surface at some past point in time and accelerate the traveler the exact amounts and in the directions needed. We're talking god-like technological power here. Tech so vastly advanced that it makes the best we have now look like a chimpanzee using a stick to grub for ants. Tech that would make the near impossibility of Star Trek's holodeck look like child's play.

[Roo]

Hey Tom, you should buy this book, read it and give us a review. I would like to read it too, although a more objective look inside N. Korea would be preferable, but this would still probably be an intersting read. From the Sisters Ling, Lisa and Laura:



http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/0...and-lisa-ling/

[chadizzy1]

Just watch Lost or Heroes, all your questions will be answered.

[sgreger1]

I have a feeling that we might, with a few hundred years of technological advances and virtually limitless power, be able get information from times past. That is we might be able to see events but not actually be able to influence them. This would eliminate any paradox effects.

Regarding those calculations that would be needed to determine an exact point in space for an exact point in time that would be stupendously difficult. Not only would the calculations have to be accurate to one part in several quintillion but in like wise any putative mechanism would require similarly ultra-fine resolution to get the job done without causing the time traveler really big problems. An additional incredibly tricky calculation would be required to match the relative movement of a particular spot on the Earth's surface at some past point in time and accelerate the traveler the exact amounts and in the directions needed. We're talking god-like technological power here. Tech so vastly advanced that it makes the best we have now look like a chimpanzee using a stick to grub for ants. Tech that would make the near impossibility of Star Trek's holodeck look like child's play.

Do you not believe such calculation will ever be possible? 200 years ago the same would be said about landing a man on the moon. With quantum computing and whatever comes after that, im sure we will have it figured out in no time.


Once we build artificial intelligence, it will improve on itself untill eventually it has evolved to a point where such calculation would be possible, of that i have no doubt. Its really only a matter of time, and like i mentioned before, i am talking a thousands years or more into the future. Frankly i think anything is possible given that amount of time. Just look at the last 50 years and how far we have come.

[Bigblue1]

WTF sgreger are you not getting pm's or just ignoring me.......

[deadohsky]

Tom, don't take this too seriously, i'm sure you won't. Just some friendly ribbing...

I like how time travel is a 'crazy fantasy' for you but things like 2012 and hollow earth are not only conceivable but as far as you are concerned (from what i can tell from your posts, i obviously don't know you personally) actually true.

Time travel, as sgreger said, is something that does have facts behind it. It has the language of mathematics behind it's probability. I don't see that with a lot of the alternative theories i see you posting about here. If you do have evidence for them please share them. You obviously don't have to, but i am curious and open minded if you are willing to take the time.

[Owens187]

Hawking threw a "time travlers party" - he drew up invitations giving the party's exact coordinates in time and space, hoping copies of it, in one form or another, would be around for many thousands of years. Though he told noone of this party until it had already happened. He hoped someone in the future would find one of the invitations, and use a time machine/worm hole etc etc to come back to his party, proving time travel was possible.

Nobody came.

[Bigblue1]

Hawking threw a "time travlers party" - he drew up invitations giving the party's exact coordinates in time and space, hoping copies of it, in one form or another, would be around for many thousands of years. Though he told noone of this party until it had already happened. He hoped someone in the future would find one of the invitations, and use a time machine/worm hole etc etc to come back to his party, proving time travel was possible.

Nobody came.

This does not take away the math and science, The point being Tom, is that there is no, not even a little, scientific basis to your beliefs in n.planet whatever it is smashing into earth. I am not like the rest tho, I think it would be good for a re-boot, and the best way for that would be a cataclysmic event...... but wishing and waning is far different than probability, You know this man......

[tom502]

I'll confess, many of my posts are reactionary, where I write something, because the reactions are fun to read. I do agree the theories of time travel make sense, but I don't forsee us making a Tardis. I also abhore anti-semitism, and any racism, yet I do find the idealism and asthetics of Hitler to be facinating, and appealing(I really believe I had a past life then), and I am somewhat obsessed, because of the tie-in with UFO's, moon bases, consipracies etc., which just resonates with me on a deep spiritual level. I also think the USA has lost it's way, and sadly, has become the evil empire, and so I like to support the smaller nations that don't bow down and lick the feet of the US, like DPRK, and Iran. So, I do think there is a high possiblity of truth in many conspiracies, be it the moon landing, the taboo event connected with WW2, and 911. The evils of the powers that be, would not leave me suprised about anything, and I am sure we are lied to, and events are both manufactured and manipulated for some devious plans.

So, please do not misinterperate my posts, and make them, or me, into something more than it's not, and consider where I am coming from.

[Darwin]

Do you not believe such calculation will ever be possible?

The calculations themselves won't be nearly as bad as making sure the data about where one specific part of the Earth was in space at some past time is fantastically accurate. We can calculate until we're blue in the face but the accuracy of the data would be the problem and if you were off by the most infinitesimal percent imaginable the time traveler might pop out 50 feet off the ground going a hundred miles per hour or up to his keister in literal alligators. You'd never just be able to pop somebody through. You'd have to establish a data link and analyse the bejesus out of what you saw on the other end before committing to a transfer. I don't volunteer.

[Bigblue1]

Man you guys are all crazy, Every sane person in the World knows their are only 4 components necesarry for Time travel

1. Delorean DMC 12
2. Flux capacitor
3. 1.21 gigawatts
4. Plutonium or other power source (lightning will work in a Pinch)