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  • Frosted
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    • Mar 2010
    • 5798

    They're gonna build you that nice mosque you wanted.

    Obama defends right to build mosque near 9/11 site The proposed mosque is about two blocks from the former World Trade Center US President Barack Obama has staunchly defended controversial plans to build a mosque near Ground Zero in New York.

    Opponents have protested against the construction of an Islamic cultural centre and mosque several hundred feet away from the site of the Twin Towers.

    Mr Obama acknowledged "sensitivities" surround the 9/11 site, but said Muslims have the same right to practice their religion "as anyone else".

    "Our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable," Mr Obama said.

    Since a New York developer announced plans to build a 13-storey Islamic community centre and mosque about two blocks from the former World Trade Center site, prominent Republican politicians and a host of conservative pundits have attacked the project.

    Some relatives of people killed in the terror attacks on the World Trade Center in 2001 are also opposed to the plan.

    'Stab in the heart'

    In a speech at a White House dinner celebrating Ramadan, the Muslim holy month, Mr Obama waded into the row, saying:

    "We must all recognise and respect the sensitivities surrounding the development of lower Manhattan, Ground Zero is, indeed, hallowed ground. But let me be clear, as a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country.

    The project has triggered angry protests from some "That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community centre on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances. This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakeable. The principle that people of all faiths are welcome in this country, and will not be treated differently by their government, is essential to who we are."

    He told the group of US Congressmen, government officials and foreign dignitaries that America's tradition of religious tolerance distinguishes it from "our enemies".

    "Al-Qaeda's cause is not Islam," he said, "it is a gross distortion of Islam".

    Until now Mr Obama had not commented on the mosque row, with the White House saying that the matter was a local issue.

    In voicing his support for the right to build the centre, Mr Obama joins New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who had been the only prominent politician to endorse it.

    Opponents of the building project have called for investigations into its backers and financing. In New York, opponents sought unsuccessfully to have the building currently at the mosque site granted landmark protect, an effort to hinder development.

    Former US House of Representatives speaker Newt Gingrich dubbed the plan an "assertion of Islamist triumphalism" and has denounced it in speeches.

    Former Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin wrote that "to build a mosque at Ground Zero is a stab in the heart of the families of the innocent victims of those horrific attacks".
  • Darwin
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    • Mar 2010
    • 1372

    #2
    "Al-Qaeda's cause is not Islam," he said, "it is a gross distortion of Islam".

    Funny how they think it's exactly about that.

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    • Frosted
      Member
      • Mar 2010
      • 5798

      #3
      Originally posted by Darwin View Post
      "Al-Qaeda's cause is not Islam," he said, "it is a gross distortion of Islam".

      Funny how they think it's exactly about that.
      That's what I thought.

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      • myuserid
        Member
        • Jun 2010
        • 1645

        #4
        "Our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable," Mr Obama said.
        I wonder if he would have the same feeling if it was a Baptist church being built.

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        • fdknuckles
          Member
          • Jan 2010
          • 169

          #5
          F*C! that. Tolerance is one thing, ignorance and placating is another. Why don't we put the Japanese embassy in Pearl Harbour? Because it's a F'n insult to those that lost their lives. OOOOOO but Islam didn't do it...... No Islam didn't do it, but the asshol*s that did it, did it in the name of Allah. RESPECT those that died. America wake up it's been less than a decade.....the war continues. Don't give Islam the keys to the city in the hope that a gesture will make it all better. This Mosque is salt in the wounds of any American worth a Damn.

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          • truthwolf1
            Member
            • Oct 2008
            • 2696

            #6
            If you believe in the official story which I do not, it was committed by radical hardline religious Islamic fanatics who in the last days were drinking, seeing strippers and doing coke. The ringleader Atta had a American girlfriend who said they were always partying and always had coke/cash. This was a minority within a large religion.
            Just like KKK Christians or Militia movements. Do we deny churches in Oklahoma City?

            Even if you believe in the official story you have to ask was it Islam? or a small group of radicals?

            They have every right to build a Mosque.

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            • c.nash
              Banned Users
              • May 2010
              • 3511

              #7
              LaDeDaLeDa
              STIR THE POT!

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              • fdknuckles
                Member
                • Jan 2010
                • 169

                #8
                Originally posted by truthwolf1 View Post
                If you believe in the official story which I do not, it was committed by radical hardline religious Islamic fanatics who in the last days were drinking, seeing strippers and doing coke. The ringleader Atta had a American girlfriend who said they were always partying and always had coke/cash. This was a minority within a large religion.
                Just like KKK Christians or Militia movements. Do we deny churches in Oklahoma City?

                Even if you believe in the official story you have to ask was it Islam? or a small group of radicals?

                They have every right to build a Mosque.
                Truthwolf, I respectfully disagree.
                The attack in Oklahoma City, was not done in the name of religion. It was done by a militant, not a militant group. Do you think they'll build " the Timothy McVeigh School for Militant Youths opposed to Federalist Occupationism" in Oklahoma City anytime soon?

                Sorry, I don't buy into the conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11. Just my theory:

                Islamic Extremists killed thousands of AMERICANS on US soil on 9/11/01 in several COORDINATED attacks, carried out in the name of Allah...regardless of how misguided their behavoir may have been in their final days, they did it in the name of their religion. I for one will not support any structure near ground zero which may signify a moral victory on their behalf.

                Sorry for the typos, I'm 2 sheets to it and pissed.

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                • truthwolf1
                  Member
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 2696

                  #9
                  Fdknuckles, that is what I am getting at. It was a small group of extremists if you believe in the official story, not an entire religion of people. Building a Mosque does not signify anykind of victory. What Islam wins??? Is that what the builders of the mosque are thinking?? I just dont get it??

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                  • Frosted
                    Member
                    • Mar 2010
                    • 5798

                    #10
                    Why don't they build it somewhere else?

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                    • truthwolf1
                      Member
                      • Oct 2008
                      • 2696

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Frosted View Post
                      Why don't they build it somewhere else?
                      My colleagues and I are the anti-terrorists. We are the people who want to embolden the vast majority of Muslims who hate terrorism to stand up to the radical rhetoric. Our purpose is to interweave America's Muslim population into the mainstream society.

                      http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/...ound_zero.html

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                      • Frosted
                        Member
                        • Mar 2010
                        • 5798

                        #12
                        So it's not a mosque?

                        I don't get this - there's bull SHIT going on here somewhere and I honestly don't know what to believe.

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                        • sgreger1
                          Member
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 9451

                          #13
                          With all due respect, this is a non issue. Guys, this is not the government building it, it is a private owner. In my america the owner of a given property may do what he pleases with it.

                          Is this a dick move and a slap in the face for us? OF COURSE! But i am not going to give up yet another freedom just to put out a fire today. By allowing governments to dictate where and when churches to a particular religion can be established, we are losing a piece of our heritage.


                          There may come a day when a christian does something stupid and the public demands no churches in the area. Do not set the precident today that may **** you tomorrow.


                          Also, this is a community center, which has a mosque in it. There has been a mosque down the street about 2 blocks away for years and no one said anything about that. I dont like islam at all, as a person i say **** their mosque, but as an american i have to stand for what america stands for, and that is freedom to practice your religion without persecution from the government. If the gov steps in and says no, we lose and tyrany wins.



                          And the clerik who runs the mosque was a bush employee when he was still president. He was his envoy to some shit back in2006 or something.

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                          • Frosted
                            Member
                            • Mar 2010
                            • 5798

                            #14
                            Here's something to mull over.http://www.youtube.com/user/patconde.../3/NUiysSau8Qk

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                            • truthwolf1
                              Member
                              • Oct 2008
                              • 2696

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Frosted View Post
                              So it's not a mosque?

                              I don't get this - there's bull SHIT going on here somewhere and I honestly don't know what to believe.
                              It sounds more like a Community center from that story. Manhattan is also very condensed block by block so it probably also would not be a eyesore either.

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