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  • sgreger1
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    • Mar 2009
    • 9451

    10 reasons why Wall Street is about to crash again

    1. The market is already expensive. Stocks are about 20 times cyclically-adjusted earnings, according to data compiled by Yale University economics professor Robert Shiller. That's well above average, which, historically, has been about 16. This ratio has been a powerful predictor of long-term returns. Valuation is by far the most important issue for investors. If you're getting paid well to take risks, they may make sense. But what if you're not?

    2. The Fed is getting nervous. This week it warned that the economy had weakened, and it unveiled its latest weapon in the war against deflation: using the proceeds from the sale of mortgages to buy Treasury bonds. That should drive down long-term interest rates. Great news for mortgage borrowers. But hardly something one wants to hear when the Dow Jones Industrial Average is already north of 10000.

    3. Too many people are too bullish. Active money managers are expecting the market to go higher, according to the latest survey by the National Association of Active Investment Managers. So are financial advisers, reports the weekly survey by Investors Intelligence. And that's reason to be cautious. The time to buy is when everyone else is gloomy. The reverse may also be true.

    4. Deflation is already here. Consumer prices have fallen for three months in a row. And, most ominously, it's affecting wages too. The Bureau of Labor Statistics reports that, last quarter, workers earned 0.7% less in real terms per hour than they did a year ago. No wonder the Fed is worried. In deflation, wages, company revenues, and the value of your home and your investments may shrink in dollar terms. But your debts stay the same size. That makes deflation a vicious trap, especially if people owe way too much money.

    5. People still owe way too much money. Households, corporations, states, local governments and, of course, Uncle Sam. It's the debt, stupid. According to the Federal Reserve, total U.S. debt -- even excluding the financial sector -- is basically twice what it was 10 years ago: $35 trillion compared to $18 trillion. Households have barely made a dent in their debt burden; it's fallen a mere 3% from last year's all-time peak, leaving it twice the level of a decade ago.

    6. The jobs picture is much worse than they're telling you. Forget the "official" unemployment rate of 9.5%. Alternative measures? Try this: Just 61% of the adult population, age 20 or over, has any kind of job right now. That's the lowest since the early 1980s -- when many women stayed at home through choice, driving the numbers down. Among men today, it's 66.9%. Back in the '50s, incidentally, that figure was around 85%, though allowances should be made for the higher number of elderly people alive today. And many of those still working right now can only find part-time work, so just 59% of men age 20 or over currently have a full-time job. This is bullish?

    (Today's bonus question: If a laid-off contractor with two kids, a mortgage and a car loan is working three night shifts a week at his local gas station, how many iPads can he buy for Christmas?)
    7. Housing remains a disaster. Foreclosures rose again last month. Banks took over another 93,000 homes in July, says foreclosure specialist RealtyTrac. That's a rise of 9% from June and just shy of May's record. We're heading for 1 million foreclosures this year, RealtyTrac says. And naturally the ripple effects hurt all those homeowners not in foreclosure, by driving down prices. See deflation (No. 4) above.

    8. Labor Day is approaching. Ouch. It always seems to be in September-October when the wheels come off Wall Street. Think 2008. Think 1987. Think 1929. Statistically, there actually is a "September effect." The market, on average, has done worse in that month than any other. No one really knows why. Some have even blamed the psychological effect of shortening days. But it becomes self-reinforcing: People fear it, so they sell.

    9. We're looking at gridlock in Washington. Election season has already begun. And the Democrats are expected to lose seats in both houses in November. (Betting at InTrade, a bookmaker in Dublin, Ireland, gives the GOP a 62% chance of taking control of the House.) As our political dialogue seems to have collapsed beyond all possible hope of repair, let's not hope for any "bipartisan" agreements on anything of substance. Do you think this is a good thing? As Davis Rosenberg at investment firm Gluskin Sheff pointed out this week, gridlock is only a good thing for investors "when nothing needs fixing." Today, he notes, we need strong leadership. Not gonna happen.

    10. All sorts of other indicators are flashing amber. The Institute for Supply Management's manufacturing index, while still positive, weakened again in July. So did ISM's new-orders indicator. The trade deficit has widened, and second-quarter GDP growth was much lower than first thought. ECRI's Weekly Leading Index has been flashing warning lights for weeks. Europe's industrial production in June turned out considerably worse than expected. Even China's steamroller economy is slowing down. Tech bellwether Cisco Systems (Nasdaq: CSCO - News) has signaled caution ahead. Individually, each of these might mean little. Collectively, they make me wonder. In this environment, I might be happy to buy shares if they were cheap. But not so much if they're expensive. See No. 1 above.
  • CoderGuy
    Member
    • Jul 2009
    • 2679

    #2
    Yeah, everyone has been lulled into a false sense of security and when it does crash again (and you're right, it probably will) everyone will be saying, "Why? Why did this happen again? I thought we fixed everything!"

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    • truthwolf1
      Member
      • Oct 2008
      • 2696

      #3
      We have been living in a inflated bubble for about a decade and now it needs to deflate for about a decade to get back to normal. Everyone, including the poor masse's was living beyond their means and it broke this place.

      I saw many friends with the 250-450 houses, new SUV's, boats, trips to Hawaii etc... and it was all credit and paycheck to paycheck lifestyle. This crap of a time we are living in was bound to happen sooner rather then later.

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      • sgreger1
        Member
        • Mar 2009
        • 9451

        #4
        Originally posted by truthwolf1
        We have been living in a inflated bubble for about a decade and now it needs to deflate for about a decade to get back to normal. Everyone, including the poor masse's was living beyond their means and it broke this place.

        I saw many friends with the 250-450 houses, new SUV's, boats, trips to Hawaii etc... and it was all credit and paycheck to paycheck lifestyle. This crap of a time we are living in was bound to happen sooner rather then later.



        Yah but see this could be a HUGE problem. We saw the domino effect in 2008, economy slows down, people start defaulting, banks start going under, then businesses have to cut back which means more people lose jobs and therefore more people default and the circle starts over again. In deflation (which is what we are currently in) the good thing is that everything reduces in price, the whole world goes on sale essentially, but the bad thing is that the only thing that DOESN"T deflate is the amount of money you owe. So while your wages will deflate and the cost of living in general will slowly deflate, the amount you owe stays the same and so does the interest your paying on it.

        People making less but owing the same will lead to more defaults which go all the way down the chain to the businesses who hire people which will force them to lay more people off which means even MORE people defaulting and so on and so forth. It's the perfect storm right now.


        That's why I urge everyone to pay off debt now, even if you really have to pinch your pennies. Im less than 60 days away from owing nothing to nobody. I paid my car off this week and now I gotta tackle 2 credit cards and a student loan and i'm done.

        Remember, the bum on the corner has a higher net worth than most Americans. A bum with no debt and $1 in quarters has a higher net worth than someone with $1,000 in the bank and a $500,000 mortgage and $40,000 car.

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        • truthwolf1
          Member
          • Oct 2008
          • 2696

          #5
          Originally posted by sgreger1 View Post
          That's why I urge everyone to pay off debt now, even if you really have to pinch your pennies. Im less than 60 days away from owing nothing to nobody. I paid my car off this week and now I gotta tackle 2 credit cards and a student loan and i'm done.

          Remember, the bum on the corner has a higher net worth than most Americans. A bum with no debt and $1 in quarters has a higher net worth than someone with $1,000 in the bank and a $500,000 mortgage and $40,000 car.
          Being out of debt is key in this type of workforce. The day you get a pink slip is also the begining of bad credit. Happened to me over a three month period and took over 5 years to get back to normal.

          What I am saying is that the last decade just did not seem sustainable for the average Joe compared to decades before. Real Estate especially was artificially inflated. When I sold my house for what I did I felt like had really screwed somebody, and I did!! It started to lose market value a year later in 2006. Right now it probably would sell for a little higher then what it was worth pre-real estate boom of early 2000's.

          Salaries in the tech field have been pretty much stagnant through this whole decade. Many people barely made it back into the field after 911 and the dot com bomb for the same wages of 2000.

          Blue collar jobs saw a great leap in wages in 2000 but have now really bottomed out with the real estate crash.
          I think a lot of these people were the one's who got stuck with the overpriced house's that went into foreclosure.

          When I see someone who had just lost their 60,000 dollar job painting houses and complaining, I just think how that was me back ten years ago with the internet boom.

          I think if anything the next decade will be like the 90's and a lower standard of living for all workers. Unless of course you get a government job.

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          • sgreger1
            Member
            • Mar 2009
            • 9451

            #6
            10 Signs The U.S. is Becoming a Third World Country





            The United States by every measure is hanging on by a thread to its First World status. Saddled by debt, engaged in wars on multiple fronts with a rising police state at home, declining economic productivity, and wild currency fluctuations all threaten America's future.





            30,000 Section 8 wait for 455 vouchers

            1. Rising unemployment and poverty: Unemployment numbers, food stamps, and home foreclosures continue to reach new record highs. The ugly reality of those numbers was recently on display when 30,000 people showed up to apply for public housing in East Point, GA for 455 available vouchers. Fights broke out, people were fainting from the heat while in line, and riot police showed up to handle the angry poor.

            2. Economic dependence: The United States finished 2009 with a debt-to-GDP ratio of 85%, according to the International Monetary Fund (IMF). The current trend projects the United States to finish 2010 at 94% and 2011 at 98%. The 90% level has become the IMF's make-or-break point for countries hoping to grow their way out of debt. If the government debt load climbs above 90% of GDP, economic growth slows so much that growth is no longer a viable solution for reducing that debt, and the IMF insists on austerity measures. Surpassing this debt threshold has also caused China's lead credit rating agency to cut America's credit rating.







            3. Declining civil rights: Everyday freedoms are often a casualty of a society in collapse. As the anger of the populace mounts in response to declining economic conditions and political corruption, the government counters by increasing draconian measures that restrict the political rights and civil liberties of its citizens.

            America is becoming a country like China, which has one of the lowest scores according to Freedom House. In America, private discussions and movements are monitored, free speech is corralled, the freedom to assemble for protest is by government decree, and independent thought that questions the political system is increasingly looked upon with suspicion. A final indicator is when the government insists upon secrecy for its own actions, while new laws and systems are created to put the individual under nearly constant surveillance.

            4. Increasing political corruption: When political corruption becomes the accepted norm, as opposed to the exception, then there's a good bet your country resembles the Third World. Congress and all major institutions face a growing crisis in confidence, where a record-low 11% of the population believe Congress is doing a good job. It now seems obvious to all observers that big corporations directly control the agenda in Washington -- much like typically corrupt Third World countries.


            5. Military patrolling the streets: The rise of a militarized police state is a hallmark of most Third World countries, particularly in times of rapid economic collapse. America's declaration of the War on Terror has created a constant threat to National Security that has allowed for the military to be deployed on American soil. Building upon the War on Drugs, this has created a fusion between the military and local police, where military-grade weapons and tactics are being used against American citizens in a cascade of violent confrontations over non-violent offenses. Military checkpoints are moving farther inland, away from meaningful border control functions, and a full-blown military presence in American cities has been planned by the U.S. Army War College.

            6. Failing infrastructure: As 46 of 50 states are on the verge of bankruptcy, cities are going dark, asphalt roads are returning to the stone age, and nationwide budget cuts are leaving students without teachers, supplies, or a full-time education. These are common features one will see as they travel through the poorest of Third World countries.

            7. Disappearing middle class: During the last presidential debate season, they argued that a family income of $250K was solidly middle-class. Well, Census data shows less than 15% of families make over $100K, and only 1.5% of families make over $250K. The income gap between the rich and poor has increased at a staggering pace, while many more middle-class folks join the ranks of the poor every day. Cavernous income gaps may be what Third-World nations are best known for.

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            • sgreger1
              Member
              • Mar 2009
              • 9451

              #7

              U.S. Dollar Monetary Base

              8. Devalued currency: The value of the Federal Reserve Note (U.S. dollar) has declined 96% since the inception of the Federal Reserve in 1913. The value of the dollar is based on its supply in circulation and, to a lesser extent, the demand for those dollars. For the last three years, the money supply has spiked literally off the charts. It can be argued that the dollar has become America's top export as the world's reserve currency, and if the volatile dollar is scrapped, which the U.N. and IMF now suggest, then demand will plummet, killing the currency.

              9. Controlling the media: A government-influenced media that censors information is a key component of Third World countries. In some countries it is openly owned by the State. In America, privately-owned major media is not as balanced or as diverse as it seems; the concentration of ownership has led to censorship when national and corporate interests have sometimes overlapped. The persecution of high-profile investigative journalists such as WikiLeaks is set amid a backdrop of the proposed Internet censorship of bloggers who wish to remain anonymous. The end of net neutrality creates a pay-to-play system that can lead to further corporate and government control of information and opinion. Cybersecurity initiatives are the final nail in the coffin, as the entire free flow of information can be vetted in a China-style system of "identity management." On the street, the police state and media control have converged in the recent rise of arrests for those who videotape the police. This is a huge blow to First Amendment rights and the role of photojournalists who wish to document public police behavior.

              10. Capital Controls: Many nations have enforced capital controls as their economies collapse. It most recently happened in Argentina and Venezuela as they sought to keep the remaining wealth within their borders. The SEC already has adopted policies to allow money market funds to suspend withdrawals during a financial crisis, while the recent HIRE bill (HR 2487) puts restrictions on Americans moving capital to foreign countries. Some economists suggest that the national debt has gotten so high that the government must now force investment of private capital into U.S. Treasury debt.

              Key economic indicators point to a situation potentially worse than the Great Depression. The land of opportunity for so many is devolving into a system of government corruption, corporate looting, and military rule that threatens to sink the American Dream. The capital flight from America has left a dwindling middle class holding an empty bag. This style of underinvestment in the foundation of society is similar to what already has led to the exodus from the rural Midwest. Now, there are ominous signs of a silent exodus of young, intelligent professionals seeking opportunities to realize their dreams outside of America; they are becoming known as Generation Xpat. Lastly, many skilled immigrants have returned to their home countries to seek a better quality of life, which might be the scariest indicator of all.

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              • truthwolf1
                Member
                • Oct 2008
                • 2696

                #8
                Originally posted by sgreger1 View Post
                10 signs the u.s. Is becoming a third world country



                7. disappearing middle class: during the last presidential debate season, they argued that a family income of $250k was solidly middle-class. Well, census data shows less than 15% of families make over $100k, and only 1.5% of families make over $250k. The income gap between the rich and poor has increased at a staggering pace, while many more middle-class folks join the ranks of the poor every day. Cavernous income gaps may be what third-world nations are best known for.
                250? Lol

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                • sgreger1
                  Member
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 9451

                  #9
                  Originally posted by truthwolf1 View Post
                  250? Lol

                  Middle class is like $40-$100k if you ask me. $40k for an individual and $100k for a family of 2-3.

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                  • Ragnar
                    Member
                    • Mar 2009
                    • 114

                    #10
                    "8. Labor Day is approaching. Ouch. It always seems to be in September-October when the wheels come off Wall Street. Think 2008. Think 1987. Think 1929. Statistically, there actually is a "September effect." The market, on average, has done worse in that month than any other. No one really knows why. Some have even blamed the psychological effect of shortening days. But it becomes self-reinforcing: People fear it, so they sell."
                    My theory has always been that the reason the stock market generally drops in September is because Congress takes August off and returns in September. Generally, it doesn't seem to matter which party is in power -- it just seems that Wall Street gains confidence in August and loses it in September.

                    Some rough research I did:

                    While Congress is Gone (August), the Dow Jones has gained an average of 107.18 points, each year since 1999.
                    When Congress returns (September), the Dow Jones has lost an average of 263.27, each year since 1999.**

                    It's non-scientific, I know -- but still interesting.

                    ------------------------------------

                    *http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=^DJI+Interactive#symbol=^DJI;range=1d

                    **The numbers cited include 2001, which was unusually volatile. Without 2001 factored in:
                    Avg.August Change = + 174
                    Avg.September Change = -173.5.

                    ---------------------------------------

                    My actual notes:

                    1999
                    August-10645-10829 +184
                    Sept-10937-10336 -601


                    2000
                    A-10606-11215 +609
                    S-11238-10650 -588


                    2001*
                    A-10510-9949 -561
                    S-9997-8836 -1161


                    2002
                    A-8506-8663 +157
                    S-8308-7591 -717


                    2003
                    A-9153-9415 +262
                    S-9523-9275 -248


                    2004
                    A-10179-10172 -7
                    S-10168-10080 -88


                    2005
                    A-10623-10481 -142
                    S-10459-10568 +109


                    2006
                    A-11125-11380 +255
                    S-11464-11679 +215


                    2007
                    A-13362-13357 -5
                    S-13448-13895 +447


                    2008
                    A-11326-11543 +217
                    S-11516-10850 -666


                    2009
                    A-9286-9496 +210
                    S-9310-9712 +402


                    Avg August Change= +107.18
                    Avg September Change= -263.27

                    Avg August Change (2001 thrown Out)= +174
                    Avg August Change (2001 thrown out)= -173.5

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                    • sgreger1
                      Member
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 9451

                      #11
                      Lol, great research Ragnar. Who would have thought that our glorious leaders in Congress who enjoy a comfortable 13% approval amongst Americans would have such an effect.


                      Seriousely, this congress is like all 8 years of the Bush admin wrapped in whatever the opposite of bacon is, and garnished with FAILrelish.

                      This is the worst congress in all of history and I cannot believe they think they can talk about what Americans want given their crappy approval ratings. If there is one thing the entire united states agrees on, without doubt across the board, it's that this congress is pure absolute fail. Least transparent, least ethical (historically) and all around the worst group of leaders ever elected to the republic. Congradulations on being the wrost group of leaders of all time.

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                      • WickedKitchen
                        Member
                        • Nov 2009
                        • 2528

                        #12
                        It's the end of the Empire and we've got a front-row seat.

                        I'm happy that I only owe on my home. I have a small bit on a car but I can pay that off tomorrow if need be. It's scary because my job is directly tied to the economy and there are things that I cannot control. Cutting back on lifestyle is a must for everyone and there's not a whole lot less I can cut back short of selling the home. The good thing is that I'd be all right with it if we had to. So long as I have my three girls I'll be good.

                        I do have a strong feeling that I would like to own a firearm soon though.

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                        • Bigblue1
                          Banned Users
                          • Dec 2008
                          • 3923

                          #13
                          Hey folks, got a good one to watch right here This may explain to you why we are headed down a bad road......

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