Franklin Graham-Nut Case-Bozo

[GoVegan]

I tend to think that most atheists are actually agnostic but I am sure that I will be corrected on this!

[sgreger1]

lol @ this thread.


To humans, we are used to creating things. We like to use human terms and human concepts to personify things. We ascribe to God qualities we would expect in a human, i.e. he is "wrathfull" he is "good", he is x,y,z. I believe in a god but we can't forget to leave room for the possibility that no such thing exists, and it's actually just our human nature staring us in the face, creating something where there is nothing.


Do you really believe that the only way god could save humans was to have a son (with no mother), then have the humans murder his son, and that somehow fixes the sin (which he created) and makes everything okay? Then from that point on, they are to toil in hardship, warring amongst each other over what "god" is the real god, untill that son gets resurrected and comes to save all of the people who believe in him? Then to make it an even bigger dick move, god tells everyone to believe in different gods and then only saves the ones who chose the correct answer?


I believe in God, but not in the human, bearded guy in the sky version the west is so in love with. He doesn't seem to talk to people. If anything, god is the math in which the universe exists, he is the thing that keeps it all glued together. He is the matrix and we are neo. Either that or we are just all living in someone elses dream. But to say God is a man who directs things from above (micromanaging) would be like the greeks who believe god sends the thunder each winter. If evil exists, than god must have some evil in him, right? Or maybe hes not a person, watching us from above.



It's all maybes. I feel there is a god because my gut tells me so. My gut has almost gotten me shot more than once, so maybe I should stop trusting it. Then again, I never got shot, so maybe it was god? It's all a circular argument. I feel there is something there so I roll with that, but surely no organized religion would be condoned by God, for they have brought nothing of value to the world.

[dreed2]

The apple fell very far from the tree. This guy's a total nut job with enough money, power, and followers to be dangerous. How many more freedoms will we lose at the hands of people like this lunatic? Is freedom of religion next on their list of freedoms to take away from us?

[tom502]

God is in you, as you.

[shikitohno]

I tend to think that most atheists are actually agnostic but I am sure that I will be corrected on this!

Why would they tend to be agnostics? I doubt the existence of a deity, not whether or not it's possible for humans to know such a deity. Agnosticism and atheism ask two fundamentally different questions.

[sgreger1]

Why would they tend to be agnostics? I doubt the existence of a deity, not whether or not it's possible for humans to know such a deity. Agnosticism and atheism ask two fundamentally different questions.

Yes Athiesm says there is no God. Being agnostic to it (like I am) means that there may or may not be a god but we'll never know anyways so who cares. I feel like there is a god, but I have no proof or evidence of any kind so i remain agnostic, submitting to the idea that a God may or may not exist.




EDIT: I keep getting a giggle out fo the worlds "Nutcase Bozo", that's about as funny as it gets.


He seems like your typical evangelical type. I do agree with this statement though:

"True Islam cannot be practiced in this country. You can't beat your wife. You cannot murder your children if you think they've committed adultery or something like that, which they do practice in these other countries"

He is factually correct in saying that this occurs in Islamic countries.


On Obama being Muslims he says:

"I think the president's problem is that he was born a Muslim, his father was a Muslim. The seed of Islam is passed through the father like the seed of Judaism is passed through the mother. He was born a Muslim, his father gave him an Islamic name."

This is a half truth. While he's right about the fact that technically Obama would be a muslim due to his lineage, many people with jewish mothers do not remain jews their whole life, and the same goes with muslims. You may be called something at birth, but as a grown up you may choose your religion. I would, however, prefer he be muslim that attend that racist anti-white radical church for 20 years like he did. Could you imagine if a US president in today's day and age attended a KKK church for 20 years? Omg he would NEVER get elected.

[NonServiam]

I believe in God, but not in the human, bearded guy in the sky version the west is so in love with. He doesn't seem to talk to people. If anything, god is the math in which the universe exists, he is the thing that keeps it all glued together. He is the matrix and we are neo. Either that or we are just all living in someone elses dream. But to say God is a man who directs things from above (micromanaging) would be like the greeks who believe god sends the thunder each winter. If evil exists, than god must have some evil in him, right? Or maybe hes not a person, watching us from above.

Greger, your philosophy stated here is very close to:

Deism- A belief in a god of nature -- a noninterventionist creator -- who permits the universe to run itself according to natural laws.

and

Pandeism- God is the transcendent reality of which the material universe and human beings are only manifestations: it involves a denial of God's personality and expresses a tendency to identify God and nature.

These are two of the first philosphies which I identified with until finally settling on Panentheism (amongst other ideas of the left hand path).

Panentheism- belief system which posits that God exists and interpenetrates every part of nature, and timelessly extends beyond as well.

[tom502]

What I don't like about atheism, is it's just a reaction to popular monotheism, the Santa Clausism of Christianity and Islam, but it fails to address the philosophical spiritual paths of Hinduism, Buddhism, Tao, etc. I don't see God as some sky daddy, but as the all pervasive consciousness eternal energy that resides in all of us, and everything, as IT. Aham Brahmasmi.

[sgreger1]

Greger, your philosophy stated here is very close to:

Deism- A belief in a god of nature -- a noninterventionist creator -- who permits the universe to run itself according to natural laws.

and

Pandeism- God is the transcendent reality of which the material universe and human beings are only manifestations: it involves a denial of God's personality and expresses a tendency to identify God and nature.

These are two of the first philosphies which I identified with until finally settling on Panentheism (amongst other ideas of the left hand path).

Panentheism- belief system which posits that God exists and interpenetrates every part of nature, and timelessly extends beyond as well.

Tie all three of those together and you have my exact belief. I believe god is the gears that this giant complex system run on. He is nature, he is the tendency to create and he is diversity. God is not a he or a she, but nature as a whole. The whole system is too complex in my mind to be random, there is some "intelligence" or order to what appears to the untrained eye as chaos. God is that order. That's about as best as I can put it.

[rickcharles606]

zee Germans are coming...I can feel it, lol.

[lxskllr]

I'm an apatheist...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apatheism

[Joe234]

What I don't like about atheism, is it's just a reaction to popular monotheism, the Santa Clausism of Christianity and Islam, but it fails to address the philosophical spiritual paths of Hinduism, Buddhism, Tao, etc. I don't see God as some sky daddy, but as the all pervasive consciousness eternal energy that resides in all of us, and everything, as IT. Aham Brahmasmi.

That's because an atheist does not believe in spirits, spiritual paths, or UFOs unless it can be measured
and proven scientifically. They find the idea of a belief in god as strange as many do your belief in Nazi UFOs.

To an atheist there is no such thing as a spirit. To them that is the same as a belief in vampires and ghosts.
Unless it can be proven by the scientific method it does not exist.

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Rack another one up for Sweden!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism

Atheism, in a broad sense, is the rejection of belief in the existence of deities. In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities. Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist. Atheism is contrasted with theism, which in its most general form is the belief that at least one deity exists.

The term atheism originated from the Greek ????? (atheos), meaning "without gods", which was applied with a negative connotation to those thought to reject the gods worshipped by the larger society. With the spread of freethought, skeptical inquiry, and subsequent increase in criticism of religion, application of the term narrowed in scope. The first individuals to identify themselves as "atheist" appeared in the 18th century.

Today, about 2.3% of the world's population describes itself as atheist, while a further 11.9% is described as nonreligious.[8] Between 64% and 65% of Japanese describe themselves as atheists, agnostics, or non-believers. The percentage of atheists and other non-believers in European Union member states ranges as low as single digits in Poland, Romania, Cyprus and some other countries , and up to 85% in Sweden, 80% in Denmark, and 60% in Finland.

Atheists tend to lean towards skepticism regarding supernatural claims, citing a lack of empirical evidence.[citation needed] Atheists have offered several rationales for not believing in any deity. These include the problem of evil, the argument from inconsistent revelations, and the argument from nonbelief. Other arguments for atheism range from the philosophical to the social to the historical. Although some atheists tend toward secular philosophies such as humanism, rationalism, and naturalism, there is no one ideology or set of behaviors to which all atheists adhere.

In Western culture, atheists are frequently assumed to be exclusively irreligious or unspiritual.[14] However, atheism also figures in certain religious and spiritual belief systems, such as Jainism, some forms of Buddhism that do not advocate belief in gods,[15] and Hinduism that holds atheism to be valid but difficult to follow spiritually.

[tom502]

It seems atheism is more about not believing in sky daddys, and doesn't really go into the spiritual philosophy at all. As mentioned, Buddhism, and Jainism, and some views of Vedanta can be called atheism, because it does not have a seperate supernatural anthropomophic creator controller GOD.

[justintempler]

What I don't like about atheism, is it's just a reaction to popular monotheism, the Santa Clausism of Christianity and Islam, but it fails to address the philosophical spiritual paths of Hinduism, Buddhism, Tao, etc. I don't see God as some sky daddy, but as the all pervasive consciousness eternal energy that resides in all of us, and everything, as IT. Aham Brahmasmi.

Atheism doesn't concern itself with philosophy of life, it's not supposed to.
Atheism is only the lack of belief in a god or gods. Nothing else.

I didn't choose to be an atheist. I was brought up as a Christian and I lost my belief in the Abrahamic god. Once I lost my belief I was an atheist. I can't pretend to believe in something I know doesn't make any sense. When I stopped believing in the Christian god, I considered the possibility of a deistic god but I found nothing to give me any evidence that such a god exists. Nothing exists in my life that needs a god as an explanation.

Atheists have to develop their own philosophy of life.

Metaphysics - Study of Existence (What's out there?)
Epistemology -Study of Knowledge (How do I know what I know?)
Ethics - Study of Action (What should I do?)
Politics - Study of Force (What action is permissible?)
Esthetics - Study of Art (What can life be like?)

I developed my own philosophy, it didn't come prepackaged when I lost my belief in god. Most of my philosophy comes from Objectivism and Libertarianism.

[tom502]

I guess I'm an Atheist too, but I don't like the side effects with the term, as I am an Eastern mystic.