November is going to be a BLOODBATH

**tom502** · 07-09-10, 06:22 PM

It's the beginning of the end.

**NonServiam** · 07-09-10, 06:34 PM

Until the political system is re-structured, it would be a long shot for a Libertarian to ever be elected president. Rep. and Dem. just has too much of the majority. Although Ross Perot (as an Independent) had quite a bit of momentum. At this point, I think Ron Paul, though classified as a Republican, is the best chance that Libertarians have to get the majority of their voice in the White House.

Man! I finally made it to 500 posts and graduated to Senior Snuser. It's been a struggle to hit the 500 mark this weekend as this forum has been pretty idle. Now I can finally walk away from this computer and eat breakfast, or I guess it's lunch time now.

**sgreger1** · 07-09-10, 06:37 PM

Originally posted by NonServiam View Post

Until the political system is re-structured, it would be a long shot for a Libertarian to ever be elected president. Rep. and Dem. just has too much of the majority. Although Ross Perot (as an Independent) had quite a bit of momentum. At this point, I think Ron Paul, though classified as a Republican, is the best chance that Libertarians have to get the majority of their voice in the White House.

Man! I finally made it to 500 posts and graduated to Senior Snuser. It's been a struggle to hit the 500 mark this weekend as this forum has been pretty idle.

Yah it's been kind of slow lately. When there's only snus discussions on the top thread scroller, it seems like less people participate. Thereby I submit my theory that discussing politics and subjects of humor increases traffic on snuson. Admins, please Pm me for the address to which you can send my check.

I would love to see a Ron Paul 2012 ticket. If he decides to run I am going to donate every spare minute of my time to campaigning for him in my area.

**Darwin** · 07-09-10, 06:44 PM

Is anyone aware of Paul's specific views on tobacco usage?

**NonServiam** · 07-09-10, 06:44 PM

Originally posted by sgreger1 View Post

Yah it's been kind of slow lately. When there's only snus discussions on the top thread scroller, it seems like less people participate. Thereby I submit my theory that discussing politics and subjects of humor increases traffic on snuson. Admins, please Pm me for the address to which you can send my check.

Like others have said, the whole PACT thing really rained on our parade, so that has slowed down a lot of the snus talk. I think everybody right now is just pretty much staying with their staple snus choices and walking around in a daze.

**NonServiam** · 07-09-10, 06:58 PM

Originally posted by Darwin View Post

Is anyone aware of Paul's specific views on tobacco usage?

I'm not sure if you are posing that as a legitimate question or posing it as "Hey you guys, wake up! Ron Paul is staunchly opposed to tobacco use.". I don't remember what his website said his stance was on tobacco, or if it even addressed it.

The fact that he is against the war on drugs, and has probably the most Libertarian slant of any other Republican, I would lean more towards that he is indifferent. But I could be wrong. I don't agree with 100% of his ideas, but he is probably the only politician with a shot at the White House that I agree the most with. I would look up his tobacco stance right now, but I do not have enough patience with my rural dial-up connection right now. Snuson is taxing my connection enough as it is now!

**Darwin** · 07-09-10, 07:03 PM

Nope that wasn't meant to be a provocative question. You'd think that someone with such libertarian outlooks would at least not be hostile to something like snus. Since our predicament is not on the national radar I suppose "indifferent" is the best we can hope for.

**sgreger1** · 07-09-10, 07:04 PM

Originally posted by NonServiam View Post

I'm not sure if you are posing that as a legitimate question or posing it as "Hey you guys, wake up! Ron Paul is staunchly opposed to tobacco use.". I don't remember what his website said his stance was on tobacco, or if it even addressed it.

The fact that he is against the war on drugs, and has probably the most Libertarian slant of any other Republican, I would lean more towards that he is indifferent. But I could be wrong. I don't agree with 100% of his ideas, but he is probably the only politician with a shot at the White House that I agree the most with. I would look up his tobacco stance right now, but I do not have enough patience with my rural dial-up connection right now. Snuson is taxing my connection enough as it is now!

I don't care if he thought tobacco should be banned from the earth, I agree with him on so many topics he would STILL be the best candidate. I can't name any politician with whom I can agree on 5 things with, but Ron Paul nails them down the line. At this point its choosing the lesser or two evils, and he is BY FAR the lesser.

But to answer your question, you tell me if you agree with Ron's statements on tobacco. He doesn't care about tobacco, he cares that the tobacco lobby does not oppose government labeling requirements etc and instead lets the gov run too much:

"The failure of Big Tobacco to fight Government's requirement to put warning labels on cigarettes while accepting agricultural subsidies allowed the entire smoking industry to be invaded by the Federal Government. Tobacco put the welcome mat out for big Government. Now it is only a matter of time before nicotine will be declared a drug and more FDA regulation will inundate us. Unfortunately, this will only compound our many problems with nicotine."

"Smoking should be treated no differently than compulsive eating, chocolate addiction, or driving too fast. But the way the tobacco corporate leaders are acting in cahoots with big government, you would think they are conspiring to prevent this."
"Yes, the business leaders in the tobacco industry deserve sharp criticism. Once this precedent of paying medical bills is set, the manufacturers of automobiles will then be liable for all accidents even if the drivers are speeding and intoxicated. Chocolate addicts can then sue Hershey, fat people can sue cattle ranchers. The whole notion that tobacco companies should pay for tobacco-related illnesses is absurd."[12]

^^^^ OMG, what an absolutely OUTRAGEOUS view on tobacco huh? lol. Once again he's got my vote.

**NonServiam** · 07-09-10, 07:24 PM

I like what Paul says there. It's very refreshing! Of course, he also has to work and come to an agreement with The House on some issues. If he ever did get elected, and stayed true to his word, I would really hate to see his term come to an end. I don't want to convey that he is some kind of messiah (although many viewed Obama that way), but I have become so disenchanted with our government that I would really like to see him get in there to do some repairs.

Of course, Obama's supporters were what I guess you would call disenchanted as well.

**NonServiam** · 07-09-10, 07:30 PM

Originally posted by Darwin View Post

Nope that wasn't meant to be a provocative question. You'd think that someone with such libertarian outlooks would at least not be hostile to something like snus. Since our predicament is not on the national radar I suppose "indifferent" is the best we can hope for.

Unfortunately, with the help of our good friends at Phillip Morris and R.J. Reynolds, they are trying to get snus on the radar, but they do not help our cause with not only their sub-standard product, but with their philosophy that snus is a an accessory item to cigarettes. They do not market it as harm reduction. Rather it's marketed as "When you can't smoke, try our snus. Then fire up one of our smooth and mellow stogies at your next opportunity." It's that whole "dual user" BS again!

**victoryredchevy** · 07-09-10, 07:58 PM

I agree with many of Ron Pauls views, especially the one about ceasing alot of the ridiculous power that the Fed. Reserve holds. That alone would be huge, but yes, I'm afraid Paul has and always will get the short end of the stick as a Libertarian presidential candidate. Obama sucks, as I thought he would and there's certainly no standout from the Repubs. I do like Huckabee, a fellow Arkansan, over everyone else at this point. November will be a bloodbath. Repubs WILL take congress and they have a very possible shot at the Senate.

**justintempler** · 07-09-10, 08:33 PM

It was Hillary's plan all along....

**Joe234** · 07-09-10, 08:41 PM

Obama's numbers are still higher that Reagan and Clintion's were at this point in their term.

**Snussles** · 07-09-10, 08:42 PM

Honestly, I don't think mccain would be any better either. Most of the decisions are made before it gets to the president, it's not like obama is responsible for literally every single thing that happened so far. He is just the "spokesman" for the other guys.

Come on, do you think Obama, all by himself, has enough say about things like the Iraq War? Yes, him, all by himself. Just him. Doubtful.

I think we are putting too much blame on one guy, when there are a lot more people responsible for the decision being made than just him.

November is going to be a BLOODBATH

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