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  • tom502
    Member
    • Feb 2009
    • 8985

    International Burn-a-Quran Day

    By MITCH STACY

    GAINESVILLE, Fla. (AP) - The leader of a small Florida church that espouses anti-Islam philosophy said Wednesday he was determined to go through with his plan to burn copies of the Quran on Sept. 11, despite pressure from the White House, religious leaders and others to call it off.

    "We are still determined to it, yes," the Rev. Terry Jones told the CBS Early Show.

    Jones says he has received more than 100 death threats and has started wearing a .40-caliber pistol strapped to his hip since announcing his plan to burn the book Muslims consider the word of God and insist be treated with the utmost respect. The 58-year-old minister proclaimed in July that he would stage "International Burn-a-Quran Day."

    Supporters have been mailing copies of the holy text to his Gainesville church of about 50 followers to be incinerated in a bonfire on Saturday to mark the ninth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.

    Gen. David Petraeus took the rare step of a military leader taking a position on a domestic matter when he warned in an e-mail to The Associated Press that "images of the burning of a Quran would undoubtedly be used by extremists in Afghanistan - and around the world - to inflame public opinion and incite violence."

    Jones responded that he is also concerned but is "wondering, 'When do we stop?'" He refused to cancel the protest at his Dove World Outreach Center but said he was still praying about it.

    "How much do we back down? How many times do we back down?" Jones told the AP. "Instead of us backing down, maybe it's time to stand up. Maybe it's time to send a message to radical Islam that we will not tolerate their behavior."

    Jones gained some local notoriety last year when he posted signs in front of his church declaring "Islam is of the Devil." But his Quran-burning idea attracted wider attention. It drew rebukes from Muslim nations and at home as an emotional debate was taking shape over the proposed Islamic center near the ground zero site of the 2001 terrorist attacks in New York.

    His actions most likely would be protected by the First Amendment's right to free speech. The U.S. Supreme Court has made clear in several landmark rulings that speech deemed offensive to many people, even the majority of people, cannot be suppressed by the government unless it is clearly directed to intimidate someone or amounts to an incitement to violence, legal experts said.

    The fire department has denied Jones a required burn permit, but he said lawyers have told him he has the right to burn the Qurans, with or without the city's permission.

    U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder during a meeting Tuesday with religious leaders to discuss recent attacks on Muslims and mosques around the U.S. called the planned burning idiotic and dangerous, according to a Justice Department official. The official requested anonymity because the meeting was private.

    Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton added her disapproval at a dinner in observance of Iftar, the breaking of the daily fast during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.

    "I am heartened by the clear, unequivocal condemnation of this disrespectful, disgraceful act that has come from American religious leaders of all faiths," Clinton said.

    Local religious leaders in this progressive Florida city of 125,000 anchored by the sprawling University of Florida campus also criticized the lanky preacher with the bushy white mustache. At least two dozen Christian churches, Jewish temples and Muslim organizations in the city have mobilized to plan inclusive events - some will read from the Quran at their own weekend services. A student group is organizing a protest across the street from the church on Saturday.

    Gainesville's new mayor, Craig Lowe, who during his campaign became the target of a Jones-led protest because he is openly gay, has declared Sept. 11 Interfaith Solidarity Day in the city.

    David Axelrod, senior adviser to President Barack Obama told CNN Wednesday morning: "The reverend may have the right to do what he's doing but it's not right. It's not consistent with our values... I hope that his conscience and his good sense will take hold."

    In Afghanistan, Jones' planned burning continued to provoke outrage.

    "It is the duty of Muslims to react," said Mohammad Mukhtar, a cleric and candidate for the Afghan parliament in the Sept. 18 election. "When their holy book Quran gets burned in public, then there is nothing left. If this happens, I think the first and most important reaction will be that wherever Americans are seen, they will be killed. No matter where they will be in the world they will be killed."

    Kabul resident, Rajab Ali said, "If this (burning of the Quran) happens there will be chaos in Afghanistan and being a Muslim, if we don't defend the Quran then what else we can do?"

    The Quran, according to Jones, is "evil" because it espouses something other than biblical truth and incites radical, violent behavior among Muslims.

    Muslims consider the Quran along with any printed material containing its verses or the name of Allah or the Prophet Muhammad to be sacred. Any intentional damage or show of disrespect Quran is deeply offensive.

    Jones' Dove Outreach Center is independent of any denomination. It follows the Pentecostal tradition, which teaches that the Holy Spirit can manifest itself in the modern day. Pentecostals often view themselves as engaged in spiritual warfare against satanic forces.

    The world's leading Sunni Muslim institution of learning, Al-Azhar University in Egypt, accused the church of stirring up hate and discrimination, and called on other American churches speak out against it.

    Last month, Indonesian Muslims demonstrated outside the U.S. Embassy in Jakarta, threatening violence if Jones goes through with it.

    Jones dismisses the response of the other churches as "cowardly."

    http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100908/D9I3N9KG0.html
  • truthwolf1
    Member
    • Oct 2008
    • 2696

    #2
    They have been burning the bible for years so this really is no big deal and you can do what you want to a point in America.

    I really dont like the hype about this because it hampers the coverage for a new investigation into 911. If there was foul play, which many us believe there was then this type of media coverage is a wet dream for the real criminals. Keep stiring up the "Boogieman" when people start asking questions.

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    • sgreger1
      Member
      • Mar 2009
      • 9451

      #3
      These guys are idiots. They are just trying to get attention like the muslims. It's stupid, counterproductive, and a slap in the face to another human being's belief systems to do it. I think it should be legal, as this is America, but they deserve any backlash they get from other citizens. They give everyone a bad name.



      Edit: And mustlims burn bibles all the time, you can find 100 news stories on it with just a simple google search. The difference is that Christians are more mature nowadays and don't go rioting or beheading people because of it, they just complain on the internet. Surely burning these korans this one time will be used as fuel to go blow up an embassy or kill some civilians in a marketplace or a shopping mall somewhere. Muslims get pissed if you draw a cartoon of their prophet, they will actually riot and kill people because of a cartoon. So would not be surprising to me to see more bloodshed over this. They will never grow up or join the developed world unfortunately. That's why we should leave them to rot in their countries and quit messing with them. They can go back to spending their time killing each other in wars over which version of the religion is right.

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      • c.nash
        Banned Users
        • May 2010
        • 3511

        #4
        Old news, but the guy is an idiot.. Period.

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        • tom502
          Member
          • Feb 2009
          • 8985

          #6
          It's a dick-move sure, but it's his right. The media is the one fueling the fire. And while he may burn books, over there in Islam-land, they routinely kill Chirstians, Buddhists, and Hindus. There is a bias hypocracy here. It's so evil and bad that this guy wants to burn books, as is his American free speech right, yet where is the outrage and riots over the fanatical Muslims killing Christians, etc? It's a double standard. The US media and government find this guy burning Korans to be a worse offence than the crazed Muslims actually killing people based on their extreme religious intolerance.

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          • devilock76
            Member
            • Aug 2010
            • 1737

            #7
            I think what would Ghandi do to protest this protest. I think he would organize a group to go there with their own copies of the Qu'ran in hand and take them to the pile before it is lit and stand there holding them refusing to move from the pile.

            Ken

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            • tom502
              Member
              • Feb 2009
              • 8985

              #8
              But why would he not go to Pakistan and stand if front of the Christian school, and stop the crazed Muslims from raping and killing the Christian students?

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              • devilock76
                Member
                • Aug 2010
                • 1737

                #9
                Well he would have to be psychic to be there before it happened. I mean if anyone had prior knowledge to it...

                Really not a rational argument.

                Ken

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                • Curtisp
                  Member
                  • Jun 2010
                  • 189

                  #10
                  Look up jerk off in your dictionary. You will see a picture of this moron. Sheesh, does every wack job miscreant have to live in my state?

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                  • Darwin
                    Member
                    • Mar 2010
                    • 1372

                    #11
                    Kansas can give Florida a run for its money in the loony whack-job count any old day. I'll see your Koran flamer and raise you three Phelps nutters.

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                    • RobsanX
                      Member
                      • Aug 2008
                      • 2030

                      #12
                      I think this is just a publicity stunt, but it could really blow up in his face.

                      I wonder if he even knows or cares that Jesus is in the Koran, and he will be burning the name of Jesus? As anti-religion as I am, I would never even fathom desecrating another persons holy book.

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                      • CoderGuy
                        Member
                        • Jul 2009
                        • 2679

                        #13
                        Originally posted by sgreger1 View Post
                        These guys are idiots. They are just trying to get attention like the muslims. It's stupid, counterproductive, and a slap in the face to another human being's belief systems to do it. I think it should be legal, as this is America, but they deserve any backlash they get from other citizens. They give everyone a bad name.



                        Edit: And mustlims burn bibles all the time, you can find 100 news stories on it with just a simple google search. The difference is that Christians are more mature nowadays and don't go rioting or beheading people because of it, they just complain on the internet. Surely burning these korans this one time will be used as fuel to go blow up an embassy or kill some civilians in a marketplace or a shopping mall somewhere. Muslims get pissed if you draw a cartoon of their prophet, they will actually riot and kill people because of a cartoon. So would not be surprising to me to see more bloodshed over this. They will never grow up or join the developed world unfortunately. That's why we should leave them to rot in their countries and quit messing with them. They can go back to spending their time killing each other in wars over which version of the religion is right.

                        All I can say to this is: +1 Every word

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                        • sgreger1
                          Member
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 9451

                          #14
                          Originally posted by RobsanX View Post
                          I think this is just a publicity stunt, but it could really blow up in his face.

                          I wonder if he even knows or cares that Jesus is in the Koran, and he will be burning the name of Jesus? As anti-religion as I am, I would never even fathom desecrating another persons holy book.

                          I know, ironic, right? Jesus is one of the most quoted prophets in the Koran, and the Koran often talks about how his message is legit, it's just that mohammad added to it and is the newest version of God's will. But Jesus isn't really ragged on in the Koran, or what i've read of it anyways, which admittedly is not a whole lot. From what I gathered, they take his message as important but Mohammad's as more important. Congratulations on burning what is essentially the new-new testament of the bible.


                          Think about it, the jews had the old testament, then jesus came along and the new testament was born, then Mohammad came along and the new-new testament was born, then John Smith came along and the new-new-new mormon version was born. They are all just different versions of an Abrahamic religion. Considering the fact that it started with the jews, I would give the jewish faith more credibility than any of the other revised versions such as christianity or Islam. But even Judaism's roots are heavily tied to Egyptian religion, Egyptians of course borrowing their beliefs from earlier people.

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                          • devilock76
                            Member
                            • Aug 2010
                            • 1737

                            #15
                            Originally posted by sgreger1 View Post
                            I know, ironic, right? Jesus is one of the most quoted prophets in the Koran, and the Koran often talks about how his message is legit, it's just that mohammad added to it and is the newest version of God's will. But Jesus isn't really ragged on in the Koran, or what i've read of it anyways, which admittedly is not a whole lot. From what I gathered, they take his message as important but Mohammad's as more important. Congratulations on burning what is essentially the new-new testament of the bible.


                            Think about it, the jews had the old testament, then jesus came along and the new testament was born, then Mohammad came along and the new-new testament was born, then John Smith came along and the new-new-new mormon version was born. They are all just different versions of an Abrahamic religion. Considering the fact that it started with the jews, I would give the jewish faith more credibility than any of the other revised versions such as christianity or Islam. But even Judaism's roots are heavily tied to Egyptian religion, Egyptians of course borrowing their beliefs from earlier people.
                            Then Scientology came along and showed them all just how well a religion could use merchandising!

                            Ken

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