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  • snusgetter
    Member
    • May 2010
    • 10903

    When will infringement of civil liberties end?

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    Some State Sheriffs Want to Know What Drugs You’re Taking

    by Maia Szalavitz - Thursday, September 9, 2010

    Nobody wants strangers riffling through their medicine cabinet — least of all the police. But that's what the North Carolina state sheriff's association is seeking — access to state computer records that identify which residents have prescriptions for painkillers and other controlled substances — according to the News & Observer.

    The cops want to know if any citizen in the state has a prescription for Xanax, Ambien, Oxycontin or Percoset, without having to get a warrant or even offer a specific reason. The proposed measure is aimed at facilitating drug arrests and reducing prescription-drug misuse. Except, I don't think it's clear that increasing law enforcement's access to patients' private information would help either cause. (Currently, the state database is accessible only by doctors and pharmacists who want to ensure that patients aren't getting prescriptions from multiple physicians.)

    For one thing, the overwhelming majority of teenagers who misuse prescription medications get them from a friend or family member, with 55% reporting these sources, according to a recent study in the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry. Another 11% steal the drugs or forge prescriptions — so they wouldn't be in the state database either. About 22% of teens taking prescription painkillers get the them from a doctor, and the vast majority of these teens see only one doctor, rather than “doctor shopping."

    In terms of overdose prescription-drug-related deaths, again, research published in the Journal of the American Medical Association found that most of those who died were not receiving prescriptions from doctors themselves — 61% of overdose victims in a West Virginia study had drugs in their bodies for which they had no prescription. Over half had no legitimate prescriptions at all. Moreover, 95% of those who died were clearly misusing the medications: these were not patients taking medication as prescribed.

    Of course, that's not to dismiss the problem of accidental overdose or death due to prescription painkillers, which is increasing nationwide. But giving the police access to all records of prescribed controlled substances seems more likely to invade patient privacy and potentially jeopardize the medical care of legitimate patients than to help find addicts or dealers.

    Then again, it might be interesting to see who's on Viagra.



    Let's hope this is not something other states will want to copy!
  • raptor
    Member
    • Oct 2008
    • 753

    #2
    The DEA believes that justice must be served, no matter the cost, be it knockless, warrantless home searches by SWAT teams or locking up poor blacks for 10 years for a couple ounces of dope.

    The only way to combat this madness is through decriminalization/legalization, which will also alleviate the drug wars in Mexico since the high profit margin of drug sales will dry up.

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    • PipenSnus
      Member
      • Apr 2010
      • 1038

      #3
      The Mexican legislature is pondering a legalization bill already, in hopes of drying up funding to the organized crime groups that are ravaging many of Mexico's northern states. Why can't we be as smart as they are? Or do things have to get just as bad here before the politicians wake up?

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      • raptor
        Member
        • Oct 2008
        • 753

        #4
        We can't be as smart because we need to overcome decades of illegal drug rhetoric, most of which is downright false. People out there still believe if legalization/decriminalization were to occur the streets would become rampant with drugged-out youth. This is not the case in Portugal where drug use has been completely decriminalized. In face, heroin usage, the specific target of the Portuguese legislation, has decreased since decriminalization.

        The marijuana bill in California is a key first step, but the conflict will be long and difficult because people are shortsighted and fail to see the consequences of running a drug war (militarization of the police, rampant security overspending, federal prisons bloated with people serving non-violent drug possession sentences, poor education about drugs beyond "they're bad, mmkay").

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        • sgreger1
          Member
          • Mar 2009
          • 9451

          #5
          Originally posted by raptor View Post
          We can't be as smart because we need to overcome decades of illegal drug rhetoric, most of which is downright false. People out there still believe if legalization/decriminalization were to occur the streets would become rampant with drugged-out youth. This is not the case in Portugal where drug use has been completely decriminalized. In face, heroin usage, the specific target of the Portuguese legislation, has decreased since decriminalization.

          The marijuana bill in California is a key first step, but the conflict will be long and difficult because people are shortsighted and fail to see the consequences of running a drug war (militarization of the police, rampant security overspending, federal prisons bloated with people serving non-violent drug possession sentences, poor education about drugs beyond "they're bad, mmkay").


          This is all very true. My argument boils down to, "It can't get any worse than it already is". I mean I am not willing to give up all of my civil liberties to stop kids from smoking herb. I am not willing to deal with over-trigger-happy cops with military training and a bunch of bogus laws to back them up if my kid gets shot. I'm not down with people not needing a warrant to come into my place, or AT LEAST a friendly knock at the door incase i'm naked lol. Most of all it's just all the money we waste on such a failed drug war. It is billion and billions that we have spent to accomplish nothing.

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          • tom502
            Member
            • Feb 2009
            • 8985

            #6
            It is billion and billions that we have spent to accomplish nothing.


            Just like wars in we are in in the middle east, not to mention the lives lost, here too.

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            • ratcheer
              Member
              • Jul 2010
              • 621

              #7
              When will infringement of civil liberties end? I'm not holding my breath.

              Tim

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              • snusgetter
                Member
                • May 2010
                • 10903

                #8
                Originally posted by ratcheer View Post
                When will infringement of civil liberties end? I'm not holding my breath.

                Tim

                But if you do hold your breath, can we watch?

                YUCK YUCK!!

                Lookit that shade of purple, willya.

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                • truthwolf1
                  Member
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 2696

                  #9
                  I am pretty sure if you are ever investigated or illegally singled out, they have easy access to your local drugstores database and any internet drug buys.

                  In the future the big money will be in privacy for
                  things, services, companies etc... which are completely off the grid.

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                  • Simplysnus
                    Member
                    • May 2010
                    • 481

                    #10
                    Dude, you need to paste your links I think, you leave a lot of context out, lol



                    William Bronson, who works in a drug control unit at DHHS, presented what could be a compromise to the sheriffs' request - allowing local drug investigators to request information related to ongoing investigations, but not let them go in to the computer records themselves.

                    Eddie Caldwell, lobbyist for the N.C. Sheriff's Association, said the level of access to the data is up for discussion.

                    "There's a middle ground where the sheriffs and their personnel working on these drug abuse cases get the information they need in a way that protects the privacy of that information," he said. "No one wants every officer in the state to be able to log on and look it up."

                    Will be interesting to see where it goes

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                    • snusgetter
                      Member
                      • May 2010
                      • 10903

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Simplysnus View Post
                      Dude, you need to paste your links I think, you leave a lot of context out, lol...



                      To whom are your comments directed??




                      I checked for a post by Dude but couldn't find any!!

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                      • justintempler
                        Member
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 3090

                        #12
                        This is the kind of stuff the ACLU was designed to fight.

                        They not only want to know what drugs you take but they want to know what books you buy from Amazon.

                        http://www.acluofnorthcarolina.org/?...al-information

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