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[truthwolf1]

I wish I had a t-shirt that said "I am a zionist" that i could wear around san francisco, just to see the reaction. Then I could make it my avatar just to piss people off lol. Zionism, whatever that means to you, can't be doing that great of a job. They managed to hold a tiny plot of dirt in the middle east and get 3 billion a year from the US. that's pennies. But if the zionists run the US, than why do we give a billion a year to the palestinians in gaza? Isn't that kind fo counter productive? For someone who runs the world, they sure don't get much of anything for it.

Sgreger, I will warn you that Nancy Pelosi will start hitting on you if you do!!

[justintempler]

Ask Bill about vaccines sometime.

[raptor]

Even though I don't buy into the "jews run the world" nonesense, I am in complete agreement that we shouldn't be sending money over there. While I can see the strategic value of keeping a well armed allie in the middle east, we just cannot afford it. I don't really support any foreign aid unless in amergency circumstances. Buying a billion dollars worth of condoms for africa or spending $800,000 in stimulis money to study whether or not circumcized africans should wash their shafts.

I'm just saying that if the jews/zionists ran the US or the world, why are they getting so little out of it. They get marginally more than we give to others. Doesn't seem like they run shit.

I never said they run the US. I don't personally believe that. But I do believe that the majority of Jews, who are the most well-off ethnic group in America, have given strong support for Israel since Israel proved itself a capable country when they won in '67. This is in turn reinforced through the belief that Israel is a Jewish state for the Jews and that failing to support Israel means a failure to support your own religion.

And Israelis garner a lot of sympathy from gentiles through (ab)use of the Holocaust to further their own plans. We have groups like ADL which further the belief that there is a new antisemitism about which could lead to a second Holocaust—complete nonsense. As such anyone who questions Israeli policy or decisions is at extreme risk of being labeled antisemitic or a self-hating Jew—look at what happened to Carter when he published "Palestine Peace Not Apartheid".

e: I wouldn't say Israel is getting so little out of it. America has complete faith in their bestest bud, to the point where any referendum concerning Israel in the UN Security Council is vetoed by America. Every single one. And America stands alone. This is why there has been very little movement to assess possible war crimes/crimes against humanity through the UN against Israel, even though the vast majority of the world sees the developing apartheid.

[sgreger1]

I never said they run the US. I don't personally believe that. But I do believe that the majority of Jews, who are the most well-off ethnic group in America, have given strong support for Israel since Israel proved itself a capable country when they won in '67. This is in turn reinforced through the belief that Israel is a Jewish state for the Jews and that failing to support Israel means a failure to support your own religion.

And Israelis garner a lot of sympathy from gentiles through (ab)use of the Holocaust to further their own plans. We have groups like ADL which further the belief that there is a new antisemitism about which could lead to a second Holocaust—complete nonsense. As such anyone who questions Israeli policy or decisions is at extreme risk of being labeled antisemitic or a self-hating Jew—look at what happened to Carter when he published "Palestine Peace Not Apartheid".

e: I wouldn't say Israel is getting so little out of it. America has complete faith in their bestest bud, to the point where any referendum concerning Israel in the UN Security Council is vetoed by America. Every single one. And America stands alone. This is why there has been very little movement to assess possible war crimes/crimes against humanity through the UN against Israel, even though the vast majority of the world sees the developing apartheid.

I get that they milked the holocaust for all it was worth, but to be fair, all groups do this. blacks milk slavery, etc etc. People use what they can to get what they want. The US has israel's back because israel is of a strategic military importance to us, not because some clandestine new world order of jews runs America. It's just simple playing sides like always.

All nations commit war crimes. I don't see you calling for war crimes from the palestinians, or the Iranian backed Hezbola, or what about Iran's unlawfull obtainment of nuclear weapons? I always hear how Israel shouldn't be secretly having nukes, yet the same people tend to advocate that Iran has a right to them.


It's real simple, Israel is a small territory that wants dominance in the region. therefore, they are cuthrought and don't play games. America sees that they have established a firm foothold in the area, and that they are willing to play ball with us. Therefore we form an alliance, we back them up with our UN security council seat, and they go **** up people we don't like via proxy. Too easy. No grand conspiracy required, simple power, politics, and military might.


Do I agree with it? Not really. But it certainly falls short of some theory that jews rule the world.

[tom502]

"Jews" don't run the world, but the Zionist influence is a world strength. Maybe covert, and behind the curtain, but it pulls the strings.

[raptor]

I get that they milked the holocaust for all it was worth, but to be fair, all groups do this. blacks milk slavery, etc etc. People use what they can to get what they want. The US has israel's back because israel is of a strategic military importance to us, not because some clandestine new world order of jews runs America. It's just simple playing sides like always.

All nations commit war crimes. I don't see you calling for war crimes from the palestinians, or the Iranian backed Hezbola, or what about Iran's unlawfull obtainment of nuclear weapons? I always hear how Israel shouldn't be secretly having nukes, yet the same people tend to advocate that Iran has a right to them.

It's real simple, Israel is a small territory that wants dominance in the region. therefore, they are cuthrought and don't play games. America sees that they have established a firm foothold in the area, and that they are willing to play ball with us. Therefore we form an alliance, we back them up with our UN security council seat, and they go **** up people we don't like via proxy. Too easy. No grand conspiracy required, simple power, politics, and military might.

Do I agree with it? Not really. But it certainly falls short of some theory that jews rule the world.

The reason why it should be a concern is because, unlike African Americans or Native Americans, Israel is a giant overhead cost, costing us money, lives and the moral superiority which earns us the title of the most powerful country in the world. Israel is a thorn in our side, and although we are sympathetic for the young democracy, it's time to pull away our flaccid teat of endless gun money.

The difference in war crimes is in the magnitude. You have IDF soldiers which have committed atrocities, using white phosphorous against civilian targets, imprisoning youths over inconsequential charges without due process. On the other side there's the ad hoc brigades which sponsor the suicide bombings and rocket attacks. One is the official army of a nation, the other a group of rebels tarnishing Islam in the name of Islam. Yes, harboring those people should be punished, but the best response the moral and just nation of Israel has used is the Gaza prison camp and walling off the West Bank (while still supporting internationally-illegal and provocative settlements).

We shouldn't be involved. Our involvement since the 80s with Afghanistan and Desert Storm and our infallible support of Israel since '67 and beyond has solidified Muslim extremists against us. They're an enemy we can't fight, as they grow with each loss, each martyrdom. Even though we make big statements about peace in Israel, we still throw gun money at the Israelis. In my opinion, our best option is to evaporate monetary/weapons support of Israel and cut our losses in Iraq and Afghanistan. Yes, it's going to look bad (Viet Nam did too), and it will make those parts of the world hellholes either way, but there is no light at the end of the tunnel when we're driving the train.

"Jews" don't run the world, but the Zionist influence is a world strength. Maybe covert, and behind the curtain, but it pulls the strings.

I agree. It's not some sort of conspiracy, and it's not Jewish in nature, but rather perverted Zionist ideals that are hurting us.

[truthwolf1]

I think it is not so much Israel being the problem as it is the Zionist influence within both our's and their government. We could easily clean our house out with enough exposure but it will be up to the Israeli progressives to kick out the racist hardliners and tear down the walls.

[sgreger1]

The reason why it should be a concern is because, unlike African Americans or Native Americans, Israel is a giant overhead cost, costing us money, lives and the moral superiority which earns us the title of the most powerful country in the world. Israel is a thorn in our side, and although we are sympathetic for the young democracy, it's time to pull away our flaccid teat of endless gun money.

The difference in war crimes is in the magnitude. You have IDF soldiers which have committed atrocities, using white phosphorous against civilian targets, imprisoning youths over inconsequential charges without due process. On the other side there's the ad hoc brigades which sponsor the suicide bombings and rocket attacks. One is the official army of a nation, the other a group of rebels tarnishing Islam in the name of Islam. Yes, harboring those people should be punished, but the best response the moral and just nation of Israel has used is the Gaza prison camp and walling off the West Bank (while still supporting internationally-illegal and provocative settlements).

We shouldn't be involved. Our involvement since the 80s with Afghanistan and Desert Storm and our infallible support of Israel since '67 and beyond has solidified Muslim extremists against us. They're an enemy we can't fight, as they grow with each loss, each martyrdom. Even though we make big statements about peace in Israel, we still throw gun money at the Israelis. In my opinion, our best option is to evaporate monetary/weapons support of Israel and cut our losses in Iraq and Afghanistan. Yes, it's going to look bad (Viet Nam did too), and it will make those parts of the world hellholes either way, but there is no light at the end of the tunnel when we're driving the train.


I agree. It's not some sort of conspiracy, and it's not Jewish in nature, but rather perverted Zionist ideals that are hurting us.

Yah and I totally agree with what your saying. I just don't get this concept of zionism. I mean, a group of people who wants to run a region? I think we have other words fo rthat, and it is not uncommon, nor are the jews the only ones guilty of this.

Neither you nor I know the true reason for our bond with Israel. There may bea significant military disadvantage to cutting the umbilical cord. Who knows. I look at it from a strictly monetary angle, I just think it's too expensive and provides very little results. I maintain my longstanding opinion that we should completely leave the middle east alone and let them war amongst themselves. This way they make sure none of them ever gain any power, and it doesn't cost us a cent. Israel is in a shitty position. It's the only white guy in an all black neighborhood in some ghetto. Israel is the one walking around with nitce things like a gold chain and driving a bently through east LA. No wonder they get shit all the time. But that is their problem, not ours. They can keepwhat they have but will not get any more. They are consistently ****ing up our attempt at peace in the region by pissing off everyone we try to sit down and talk with.



So yah, you'r right, we shouldn't be supporting israel as much as we do. However, I don't see how this has anything to do with zionism. Sounds like routine "dealing with our allies" stuff. Nothing groundbreaking or out of the ordinary. Iran, China, Russia etc all have their won little favored proxies to do their bidding, yet I don't hear conspiracy theories that there is some worldwide scam going on with them.





As for Israel's war crimes. Cry me a river. Everyone does shit like that. Imprisoning people without due process? LOL @ your face if you think Israel is the only country that does that. And using weapons not authorized in the geneva conventions? Oh lawdy this must be a first! Lolololool. Israel is a dick for using white phosphorous and cluster bombs and shit all the time, but they are not doing anything the rest of the world doesn't do. Not sure why they are being singled out.

Right now Israel is just bad PR for us during a time where PR is important. I get it, 9-11 and all that, but we've pissed of the muslims enough for this decade. Let's focus our efforts back stateside and try to get this money making machine running again so I can buy a house.

[raptor]

Zionist influence within the Israeli government is an understatement. The current trends, from Begin's reign through today have shifted Israel towards the extreme right-wing Zionist movements. Their nationalism has been rebranded as that of a Jewish state in the Holy Land. Their young generations are practically brainwashed with the Holocaust persecution complex as well as race elitism. With these sorts of issues with their own national identity, I really cannot see them even compromising with the Palestinians. It's unfortunate, as Palestinians are on the whole the most secular Muslim ethnicity alongside the Turks.

Well youtube used to have a good documentary about new antisemitism, you'll need to look it up yourself. "Defamation" by Yoav Shamir. It's a good watch, about 90 minutes.

[raptor]

As for Israel's war crimes. Cry me a river. Everyone does shit like that. Imprisoning people without due process? LOL @ your face if you think Israel is the only country that does that. And using weapons not authorized in the geneva conventions? Oh lawdy this must be a first! Lolololool. Israel is a dick for using white phosphorous and cluster bombs and shit all the time, but they are not doing anything the rest of the world doesn't do. Not sure why they are being singled out.

Right now Israel is just bad PR for us during a time where PR is important. I get it, 9-11 and all that, but we've pissed of the muslims enough for this decade. Let's focus our efforts back stateside and try to get this money making machine running again so I can buy a house.

People here certainly make a huge hoopla about illegal war (suicide bombing), so does Israel. Except in response, for each life taken by a suicide bomber, Israel takes 200.

Your argument is, everyone does it, so why put Israel on the spot. Because as a first-world country, they should not be committing atrocities as they have. They're a first world nation openly using its military, claiming many thousands of innocent lives. The UN should hold first-world nations to a higher authority, us being supposedly more civilized.

Your casual dismissal of this sort of complaint is a callous, "f you got mine" sort of response. And you can do without the 4chan phrases.

[sgreger1]

Zionist influence within the Israeli government is an understatement. The current trends, from Begin's reign through today have shifted Israel towards the extreme right-wing Zionist movements. Their nationalism has been rebranded as that of a Jewish state in the Holy Land. Their young generations are practically brainwashed with the Holocaust persecution complex as well as race elitism. With these sorts of issues with their own national identity, I really cannot see them even compromising with the Palestinians. It's unfortunate, as Palestinians are on the whole the most secular Muslim ethnicity alongside the Turks.

Well youtube used to have a good documentary about new antisemitism, you'll need to look it up yourself. "Defamation" by Yoav Shamir. It's a good watch, about 90 minutes.

The odds of Israel giving up anything to the Palestinians are about as good as the odds of us giving back texas and Arizona to mexico. It ain't gonna happen, and if they want it that bad they will have to come take it by force. Oh, wha'ts that, you don't have the necessary force to take it? Well than welcome to planet earth, it's how shit works. Deal with it or kill whoevers in charge and then change the rules.


Good luck winning that fight snuson anti-zionist crowd, it ain't never happened and I doubt it will happen here. Right or wrong, it's just how the world works. Remember the golden rule: He who has the gold, makes the rule. (and you ain't got no gold)

[sgreger1]

People here certainly make a huge hoopla about illegal war (suicide bombing), so does Israel. Except in response, for each life taken by a suicide bomber, Israel takes 200.

Your argument is, everyone does it, so why put Israel on the spot. Because as a first-world country, they should not be committing atrocities as they have. They're a first world nation openly using its military, claiming many thousands of innocent lives. The UN should hold first-world nations to a higher authority, us being supposedly more civilized.

Your casual dismissal of this sort of complaint is a callous, "f you got mine" sort of response. And you can do without the 4chan phrases.

It's kind of hard to not be callous. We are discussing a two groups of people, one who uses their advanced military to oppress a poorer neighbor for ethnic and imperialistic reasons, and the other who is on an endless jihad, who's mission can only be accomplished by spreading as much havok as absolutely possible by killing innocents until someone listens to you. Sorry if I sound callous.


When you get into a fight and someone hits you, do you hit them back once and call it even? No, you ****ing beat them untill they stop twitching. It's human nature bro, you are thinking in these imaginary terms like we are robots. If someone blows up my house, I am going out on a vendetta to murder their whole family. Does it accomplish anything? No, but it is the reaction the human mind is trained to have. Also, in war, I am pretty sure the whole idea is to cause more casualties to the other side than you take on your own side. Whether you want to call it a "war" or not, these two groups are at war. The guy who gets beat up is always the victim. If it was your child's school getting hit by rockets, you would have a different opinion. Deciding who the good guy is all depends on where you are observing from, that's all i'm saying.

[raptor]

I do support the removal of the extremists/suicide bombers, but they do hide amongst the civilians to their advantage. Israel ham-fistedly jumps in, blows up a bunch of civilians and a few rebels; trap sprung: the world hates them, America defends. All I'm saying is they need to take the higher ground and come up with a better way than playing apartheid.

[sgreger1]

I do support the removal of the extremists/suicide bombers, but they do hide amongst the civilians to their advantage. Israel ham-fistedly jumps in, blows up a bunch of civilians and a few rebels; trap sprung: the world hates them, America defends. All I'm saying is they need to take the higher ground and come up with a better way than playing apartheid.

This is what fascinates me. We are about 9 years into the whole "getting aclimated to terrorism" thing, and we still havn't learned to not fall for their trap. They are not trying to win a military victory (since that is impossible), they are playing terrorist guerilla warfare which mianly consists of doing something crazy and hoping they get attention. The media blows up this quaran burning thing, and now an otherwise un-noteworthy individual from some podunk town is getting people killed in the middle east. They blow up our towers and we respond by spending a trillion dollars and thousands of our own young lives to fight an unwinable war. Israel KNOWS they are under the radar, yet falls for the trap every time. I mean really, are our leaders stupid or are they doing this on purpose?


Want to find a better way than apartheid?

Definition of Apartheid:

2. A policy or practice of separating or segregating groups.
3. The condition of being separated from others; segregation.


Sounds like the perfect plan to me. Let's "segregate" or "seperate" ourselves from all this bullshit by cutting the middle east completely loose, running away and never coming back. Honestly, leave them to their own struggles. We gain NOTHING from being a part of it, and it only costs us money. We've been killing muslims for nearly a decade now and my oil still costs nearly $4 a gallon. Cut-and-run, take your ball and go home America. We have more important shit to do than **** with the natives.

[GENERAL BILLY]

This thread didn't start out that great and went down nonsense slope quickly. Here is a episode of Mchale's Navy It is much better for you than watching a non funny douchebag talk to the worlds oldest man or another retelling of the protocols of zion.

http://www.fancast.com/tv/McHale-s-N...u-With-/videos