A rallying cry for the Nov elections

[snusgetter]

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Repeal of health bill to be GOP battle cry
September 21, 2010

WASHINGTON — Republicans are serious. Hopeful of picking up substantial numbers of seats in the congressional elections, they are developing plans to try to repeal or roll back President Obama’s new health care law.

This goal, although not fleshed out in a detailed legislative proposal, is much more than a campaign slogan. That conclusion emerged from interviews with a range of Republican lawmakers, who said they are determined to chip away at the law if they cannot dismantle it.

House Republicans are expected to include some specifics in an election agenda they intend to issue Thursday. Although they face tremendous political and practical hurdles to undoing a law whose provisions are rapidly going into effect, they are laying the groundwork for trying.

For starters, Republicans say they will try to withhold money that federal officials need to administer and enforce the law. They know that even if they managed to pass a wholesale repeal, Obama would veto it.

“They’ll get not one dime from us,’’ the House Republican leader, Representative John A. Boehner of Ohio, told The Cincinnati Enquirer recently.

“Not a dime. There is no fixing this.’’

Republicans also intend to go after specific provisions. Senator Orrin G. Hatch of Utah, a senior Republican on the Finance Committee, has introduced a bill that would eliminate a linchpin of the new law: a requirement for many employers to offer insurance to employees or pay a tax penalty. Many Republicans also want to repeal the law’s requirement for most Americans to obtain health insurance.



Between the Republicans' vow to dismantle the health care bill and the
Tea Party's usurping the scenery, this election season is proving to be
excitable. Can't wait to see what disasters might be forthcoming!

[snusgetter]

Show and Tell Time

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Show us what you'd do!
President Obama and other Democrats are taking direct aim at the Tea Party.
Tuesday, September 21 2010

WASHINGTON - President Obama threw down a challenge Monday to Tea Party candidates, demanding to know how they would make all the spending cuts they promise.

"The challenge, I think, for the Tea Party movement is to identify specifically, what would you do? It's not enough just to say 'Get control of spending,'" Obama said at a town hall-style meeting on CNBC.

"I think it's important for you to say, 'You know, I'm willing to cut veterans' benefits,' or, 'I'm willing to cut Medicare or Social Security benefits,' or, 'I'm willing to see these taxes go up,'" Obama added.

The Democrats are taking unified aim at the Tea Party's penchant for complaining without providing solutions to the nation's woes.

Former President Bill Clinton used the same "What would you do?" line a day earlier on Sunday talk shows.

The exchanges between President and audience were mostly pleasant, but there were some awkward moments, like when one questioner cited a Wall Street mogul's remark that Obama's "approach to the financial regulation and taxation is like Hitler invading Poland."

"I don't know where that comes from," Obama said. "If you're making a billion dollars a year after a very bad financial crisis, where 8 million people lost their jobs and small businesses can't get loans, then I think that you shouldn't be feeling put upon."

In another pointed exchange, AMVETS official Velma Hart said: "I voted for a man who said he was going to change things in a meaningful way for the middle class ... And I'm waiting, sir."

"I understand your frustration," Obama responded. "My goal is not to convince you that everything is where it ought to be. It's not."



Does anyone really think the Tea Party will answer any of
these questions and derail their perceived momentum?

[CoderGuy]

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Show us what you'd do!
President Obama and other Democrats are taking direct aim at the Tea Party.
Tuesday, September 21 2010

WASHINGTON - President Obama threw down a challenge Monday to Tea Party candidates, demanding to know how they would make all the spending cuts they promise.

"The challenge, I think, for the Tea Party movement is to identify specifically, what would you do? It's not enough just to say 'Get control of spending,'" Obama said at a town hall-style meeting on CNBC.

"I think it's important for you to say, 'You know, I'm willing to cut veterans' benefits,' or, 'I'm willing to cut Medicare or Social Security benefits,' or, 'I'm willing to see these taxes go up,'" Obama added.

The Democrats are taking unified aim at the Tea Party's penchant for complaining without providing solutions to the nation's woes.

Former President Bill Clinton used the same "What would you do?" line a day earlier on Sunday talk shows.

The exchanges between President and audience were mostly pleasant, but there were some awkward moments, like when one questioner cited a Wall Street mogul's remark that Obama's "approach to the financial regulation and taxation is like Hitler invading Poland."

"I don't know where that comes from," Obama said. "If you're making a billion dollars a year after a very bad financial crisis, where 8 million people lost their jobs and small businesses can't get loans, then I think that you shouldn't be feeling put upon."

In another pointed exchange, AMVETS official Velma Hart said: "I voted for a man who said he was going to change things in a meaningful way for the middle class ... And I'm waiting, sir."

"I understand your frustration," Obama responded. "My goal is not to convince you that everything is where it ought to be. It's not."



Does anyone really think the Tea Party will answer any of
these questions and derail their perceived momentum?

That's actually a fair question. All these people are opposed but no one has a workable solution, or if they do, it's time for them to start laying this out.

The problem with our current state of affairs is most people will be voting purely on emotion. They will automatically vote for the "non-establishment" candidate (mostly Tea Party) just to make a point but then afterwords be saying, "Now what, they don't actually know anything" (you know, sorta like last time).

[tom502]

I want Rand, or Ron Paul to be President 2012.

[Darwin]

I think the Tea Party phenomenon is more than mere dissatisfaction with incumbents but rather is a recoiling from the direction of government regardless of who is in power. Such populist movements are a recurrent historical phenomenon and largely have been less than effective in national elections nationwide. This time might be a bit different. People are fed up with the warp 10 escalation in spending and the national debt and might be willing to give up some federal largesse to advance their agenda. I emphasize might because once they're on the federal dole, in whatever capacity, people rapidly come to view the subsidies, funds, programs, whatever, as practically an inviolable birthright and woe unto the pols who might want to dial back the money tap. It is unlikely, if not quite impossible, that people are so fed up that they would approve of lessened federal spending that affects them directly but derailing vast new federal programs with attendant massive spending is a much easier sell. Reining in the current headlong spending spree is probably the best we can hope for and that is where the Tea Party is aiming its appeal. Actually cutting existing programs is really too much to hope for because of rampant and intractable gored-ox syndrome.

[ratcheer]

I want Rand, or Ron Paul to be President 2012.

+1

Tim

[myuserid]

"I think it's important for you to say, 'You know, I'm willing to cut veterans' benefits,' or, 'I'm willing to cut Medicare or Social Security benefits,' or, 'I'm willing to see these taxes go up,'" Obama added.

Riiiiight.

Because Barry was so willing to tell us exactly what he was going to do to try and make us a welfare state.

Fail.

[truthwolf1]

In the simplest terms people are just sick of the government clampdown/taxation in close to every portion of their lives. Most families have been affected one way or the other over this last decade with job cuts, war, loss of homes, savings, bleak outlook, loss of trust and a overall lower standard of living.

[myuserid]

In the simplest terms people are just sick of the government clampdown/taxation in close to every portion of their lives. Most families have been affected one way or the other over this last decade with job cuts, war, loss of homes, savings, bleak outlook, loss of trust and a overall lower standard of living.

+1

[sgreger1]

That's actually a fair question. All these people are opposed but no one has a workable solution, or if they do, it's time for them to start laying this out.

The problem with our current state of affairs is most people will be voting purely on emotion. They will automatically vote for the "non-establishment" candidate (mostly Tea Party) just to make a point but then afterwords be saying, "Now what, they don't actually know anything" (you know, sorta like last time).

It's a very fair question. Because they do not have a plan. But that's not what it's really about I think: We are just seeing a general revolt against government. This movement attracts mainly right of center folks, but under Bush the anti-war movement was just a branch of the same phenomenon. People are pissed, and things will only get worse.

And the republicans will never repeal the HC bill. These people are lying. They have never been fiscally responsible, and they are pulling what they did last time. They ran on fiscal responsibility, lower spending, lower taxes, shrink government etc, and then when they got elected they just grew government and increased spending. This time will be no different. They just don't want this HC bill to affect businesses, they don't give a shit about fiscal responsibility any more than the damn libs do.

The game is to get elected so you can pilfer our tax dollars to help out your buddies. The elections are just a dog-and-pony show where two groups rally for you to select which one of them gets to do the pilfering. Some are even shady enough to try to convince you to choose them by running on an anti-pilfering platform, but it's all a show. The republicans have no good candidates, tif they lose they deserve it. The democrats, well you know how I feel about them. We have no options, we will just have to let it all burn down and try to rebuild afterwards.



Oh but wait, they just announced the recession is officially over as of yesterday, everything will be okay now! Lol, these people are ****ing idiots, or they think we are.

[CoderGuy]

Oh but wait, they just announced the recession is officially over as of yesterday, everything will be okay now! Lol, these people are ****ing idiots, or they think we are.

I know right? Actually they said it ended 15 months ago. 15 Months ago! What does that say about the economy when a recession ended 15 months ago and no one even knew? ROFL

[sgreger1]

I know right? Actually they said it ended 15 months ago. 15 Months ago! What does that say about the economy when a recession ended 15 months ago and no one even knew? ROFL

It says "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!" At least Bush spewed his propaganda from a cool aircraft carrier and sprung the extra $200 for a big "mission accomplished" banner.

[raptor]

In the simplest terms people are just sick of the government clampdown/taxation in close to every portion of their lives. Most families have been affected one way or the other over this last decade with job cuts, war, loss of homes, savings, bleak outlook, loss of trust and a overall lower standard of living.

Yes, but there is no unified vision which is why the tea party looks like an angry reactionary mob. As such it's no surprise you get crazies like Christine O'Donnell as looney candidates.

[devilock76]

To me the significance of the Tea Party is not there yet, it is there when in the melee we can observe a real viable third party to come into play. Without that it WILL be business as usual.

Ken

[tom502]

At least they are pro-America crazies. The opposite is what we have in office now.