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  • tom502
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    • Feb 2009
    • 8985

    #46
    UNITED NATIONS – The U.S. delegation walked out of the U.N. speech of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Thursday after he said some in the world have speculated that Americans were behind the Sept. 11 terror attacks, staged in an attempt to assure Israel's survival.

    He did not explain the logic of that statement that was made as he attacked the U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Ahmadinejad has called for the destruction of Israel and is deeply at odds with the United States and European allies over its nuclear program and suspicions that it is designed to produce an atomic bomb. Iran says it is only working on technology for electricity generation.

    The U.S. delegation left the hall after Ahmadinejad said there were three theories about the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks:

    _That "powerful and complex terrorist group" penetrated U.S. intelligence and defenses.

    _"That some segments within the U.S. government orchestrated the attack to reverse the declining American economy and its grips on the Middle East in order also to save the Zionist regime. The majority of the American people as well as other nations and politicians agree with this view."

    The Americans stood and walked out without listening to the third theory, that the attack was the work of "a terrorist group but the American government supported and took advantage of the situation."

    Mark Kornblau, spokesman of the U.S. Mission to the world body, issued a statement within moments of Ahmadinejad's attack.

    "Rather than representing the aspirations and goodwill of the Iranian people," he said, "Mr. Ahmadinejad has yet again chosen to spout vile conspiracy theories and anti-Semitic slurs that are as abhorrent and delusional as they are predictable."

    Ahmadinejad, who has in the past cast doubt over the U.S. version of the Sept. 11 attacks, called for establishment of an independent fact-finding U.N. body to probe the attacks and stop it from turning into another sacred issue where "expressing opinion about it won't be banned".

    He said the U.S. used the attacks as a pretext to invade Afghanistan and Iraq that led to the killing of hundreds of thousands of people, saying the U.S. should have "designed a logical plan" to punish the perpetrators while not sheding so much blood.

    Ahmadinejad boasted of the capture in February of Abdulmalik Rigi, the leader of an armed Sunni group whose insurgency in the southeast of Iran has destabilized the border region with Pakistan. He said authorities did not resort to violence, but captured the suspect after trailing his movements in an operation by Iranian secret agents. Rigi was later hanged.

    The Iranian leader spoke of threats to burn the Quran by a small American church in Florida to mark the anniversary of the Sept. 11 terror attacks. Although that church backed down, several copycat burnings were posted on the Internet and broadcast in the Muslim world.

    "Very recently the world witnessed the ugly and inhumane act of burning the holy Quran," Ahmadinejad said.

    He briefly touch on the four sets of sanctions imposed on his country by the United Nations over Tehran's refusal stop enriching uranium and to prove Iran is not trying to build an atomic bomb.

    Some members of the Security Council have "equated nuclear energy with nuclear bombs," Ahmadinejad said.

    He accused the United States of building up its nuclear arsenal instead of dismantling it and reiterated his call for a nuclear-free world.

    "The nuclear bomb is the worst inhumane weapon which must totally be eliminated. The NPT (Nonproliferation Treaty) prohibits its development and stockpiling and calls for nuclear disarmament," the Iranian president said.

    Ahmadinejad hinted that Iran is ready for talks on its nuclear program provided they are based on "justice and respect", suggesting that the U.S. and its allies must stop pressuring Iran through sanctions before Tehran will sit at the negotiating table.

    He again rejected the U.N. Security Council sanctions as "illegal," blaming the U.S. as the power behind the measures.

    "Those who have used intimidation and sanctions in response to the clear logic of the Iranian nation are in real terms destroying the remaining credibility of the Security Council," Ahmadinejad said.

    Ahmadinejad has in the past called the Security Council a "satanic tool" and has called its anti-Iran resolutions "not worth a cent."

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    • raptor
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      • Oct 2008
      • 753

      #47
      Yes, Ahmadinejad is a loon. He's only exacerbating the situation of his people.

      It's unfortunate that he makes anti-semitic statements which only empowers the whole anti-Israel = anti-semitic argument.

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      • tom502
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        • Feb 2009
        • 8985

        #48
        I think what he says is true.

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        • truthwolf1
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          • Oct 2008
          • 2696

          #49
          Crazy like a FOX!

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          • raptor
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            • Oct 2008
            • 753

            #50
            Originally posted by tom502 View Post
            I think what he says is true.
            Even if it were true his backdrop of hosting Holocaust denier conventions and brutal condemnation of Israel (even if justified) doesn't bode well for him nor his country.

            Then again, if coming from another source the US would still ignore whatever was said.

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            • sgreger1
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              • Mar 2009
              • 9451

              #51
              He is a loon. He keeps getting more sanctions because of his stubborness and instead of doing the right thing for his people he is taking the high-pride route and just making waves. Everyone is trying to come to peacefull agreements in the middle east and prevent war, but jesus christ, the guy shows up to the ****ing UN security council talking about how if we piss him off he will start a war without borders, and statements like "The US has never been involved in a real war, not even WWII was a real war". Then he spend the other half of his time either claiming the jews blew up the world trade center or calling Americans terrorists or denying the holocaust.


              I mean he can't be taken seriousely. Even if what he is saying where true, he is just going about it all wrong. He speaks in insults, and has no concept of diplomacy, which is why people always walk out every time he talks.

              Every few months when his radical base starts losing steam, he comes out saying something to give them morale. This is getting so cliche it's not even funny. We shouldn't even allow him to show up if he's not even going to address the subject that is supposed to be addressed at the council, which is of course the fact that he is building nuclear weapons while giving the world the finger and threatening to destroy israel and America.




              Right or wrong, he is just ****ing up his whole country by the reckless way he acts.

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              • truthwolf1
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                • Oct 2008
                • 2696

                #52
                Originally posted by sgreger1 View Post
                "Members of other militias and members of other volunteer corps, including those of organized resistance movements, belonging to a Party to the conflict and operating in or outside their own territory, even if this territory is occupied, provided that such militias or volunteer corps, including such organized resistance movements, fulfill the following conditions:"

                1. That of being commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates;
                2. That of having a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance;
                3. That of carrying arms openly;
                4. That of conducting their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war.
                They do not follow the rules and do not meet the criteria for protection. Again, we are operating completely within the law and people need to not selectively chery pick certain portions of the rules, yet ommit the parts saying that the group in question is exempt from said rules.



                I'm nto in favor of torture and always believe we should take the moral high ground so long as it does not affect our combat rediness. There is no reason for brutal torture because there are better, more humane methods. Waterboarding is certainly stretching the limit, and should only be used as a last resort, like it currently is. But taking things completely off the table is a bad idea. The fact that they believe torture may be an option if they don't comply breaks a lot of the ones that don't have an ideological reason for fighting against us, but rather were just doing it for money. They think to themselves, "shit, it's not worth it".
                Clearly fighting the Baathists with a control structure and ex Iraqi Army with your seperate ethnic groups but it is all very shady of who is classified as a prisoner of war and I can agree with that.

                Since we dont abide by these rules anyway then we should not be surprised anymore when other countries will not either.

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                • sgreger1
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                  • Mar 2009
                  • 9451

                  #53
                  Originally posted by truthwolf1 View Post
                  Clearly fighting the Baathists with a control structure and ex Iraqi Army with your seperate ethnic groups but it is all very shady of who is classified as a prisoner of war and I can agree with that.

                  Since we dont abide by these rules anyway then we should not be surprised anymore when other countries will not either.

                  Other countries never did. It's a non-issue.

                  We are willing to do the right thing, but not at the cost of victory or American blood.

                  I think making rules of war like "You can't discomfort the enemy, or if you capture him you can't ask him if he knows anything" will never work. They are like the idea of the great socialist utopia, a great theoretical concept but would not work in the real world here down on planet earth. You cannot legislate human nature, nor can you legislate war into a friendly interaction.


                  We still treat our prisoners as good if not better than anyone else though, so at least we have the reletive moral high ground. Except for when the president outsources it (as is the american way) to other countries where they are tortured and then deny them trial when they come home....

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                  • tom502
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                    • Feb 2009
                    • 8985

                    #54
                    He's my hero.

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                    • sgreger1
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                      • Mar 2009
                      • 9451

                      #55
                      Originally posted by tom502 View Post
                      He's my hero.
                      And what exactly has he done to earn your praise? Explain to me how you dislike Obama but like Ahmadeniwhackjob? What, because he talks bad about Israel? Everyone does that. because he believes in a 9-11 conspiracy? Lots of people believe that, look at Hugo chvez. Because he refuses to open up his nuclear facilities to inspections, and therefore gets radical sanctions against him for his insubordination, therefore causing suffering for his people? I mean what is it exactly that you see in this character that would make you want to idolize him in the way you do.



                      I don't get how you are anti-Obama, yet pro North Korea, one of the most oppressive governments in the world today, who have all but starved every man woman and child to death in the entire country. Is there some appeal to you from these types of leaders? I mean really, I bitch about Obama but he is still miles ahead of most of these whackjobs. I don't see that they have done anything particularly heroic to deserve the attention they get. I mean his own people aren't verry happy with him.

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                      • tom502
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                        • Feb 2009
                        • 8985

                        #56
                        Israel keeps their nukes undeclared, and the UN don't do jack.
                        What I like about him, is he don't bow and kiss the feet of the US, like all other countries do. And he's not afraid to bring up questionable events in history. And he exposes our biased support for Israel. He's a rare leader, most of them just keep quiet and bow to the US/Israel demands.

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                        • endity
                          Member
                          • Jan 2010
                          • 35

                          #57
                          In my opinion, there are just to many different opinions on things. These things are not imporant to me. There is nothing I can do as a single person to change any of it. All that matters to me is my family and my little space of land. Choices people have made for me (Government) were not what I wanted. So therefore to me it seems no matter what I feel is right or wrong matters in the great scheme of things. I have given up all hope with America. The only thing I have learned on my whole time on this earth is this: Be kind to people, do your best to find what makes you happy, and attempt to truly love and care for people around you.

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                          • LincolnSnuff
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                            • May 2010
                            • 676

                            #58
                            hear hear

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                            • sgreger1
                              Member
                              • Mar 2009
                              • 9451

                              #59
                              Originally posted by tom502 View Post
                              Israel keeps their nukes undeclared, and the UN don't do jack.
                              What I like about him, is he don't bow and kiss the feet of the US, like all other countries do. And he's not afraid to bring up questionable events in history. And he exposes our biased support for Israel. He's a rare leader, most of them just keep quiet and bow to the US/Israel demands.


                              Better the boss than the bitch. This is what happens when you are the sole remaing superpower. If iran ran the world, then they would be sitting in the big chair with all the lapdogs groveling at their feet. That is not how it is, so they complain.


                              /ignore them

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                              • Joe234
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                                • Apr 2010
                                • 1948

                                #60
                                Originally posted by sgreger1 View Post
                                I would vote for Obama over Mccain if I had to do it over again too. No joke, I don't like Obama, but truthfully he is a better candidate than Mccain. Mccain is a fake republican, more left than Obama on some issues, and changes his mind to whichever way the wind blows. Obama was the better choice unfortunately.
                                Thank god

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