Gov't wants easier internet wiretapping

[shikitohno]

NY Times

This is one I stand thoroughly opposed to. The US government wants to require all companies that provide a service that allows people to communicate via internet with a means of intercepting messages and decrypting any encrypted material in the messages.

[lxskllr]

Is this really a surprise after the Dept of Domestic Espionage got created? Damn I wish a catastrophe would hit this planet. Either a large asteroid strike, or nuclear war. We need to clean house, and start over. The system's broken, and I don't see any possible fixes.

[snupy]

Is this really a surprise after the Dept of Domestic Espionage got created?

Exactly! Obama=Bush III

[deadohsky]

Is this really a surprise after the Dept of Domestic Espionage got created? Damn I wish a catastrophe would hit this planet. Either a large asteroid strike, or nuclear war. We need to clean house, and start over. The system's broken, and I don't see any possible fixes.

I share this sentiment but what's to say that it wouldn't turn out the exact same way? I tend to believe it's just in human nature to want; be it material possessions, power, control, what have you. There are always people with insatiable greed that will try their best to get what they want and ruin things for others.

[raptor]

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill...bill=s111-3804

From what I've digested from others' posting on this topic, the bill provides the legal infrastructure to shut down sites which violate copyright infringement, including ramifications for offshore-hosted ones by removing their DNS registry (most DNS servers are located in the USA). This will be done with appropriate court orders.

Same goes for wiretapping, it requires ISPs to have the infrastructure to carry out court-ordered wiretapping.

It seems to be a good step towards combating piracy and providing legal wiretapping means (unlike the Obama administration's warrantless ones), although I'm personally against regulation of the internet.

[lxskllr]

I share this sentiment but what's to say that it wouldn't turn out the exact same way? I tend to believe it's just in human nature to want; be it material possessions, power, control, what have you. There are always people with insatiable greed that will try their best to get what they want and ruin things for others.

I agree completely, but things are controllable on a smaller scale. Don't like the president? You kill the SOB, and put someone else in power. Rinse, repeat. That's how it should work. For all our pretense at civilization, we're still just savages. The system now artificially concentrates power, and entrenches it. When things aren't as organized, /everybody/ has a real shot at real change. Sometimes that change sucks, but at least the dream's alive for someone to follow.

For all the talk of Ron Paul getting in office(I think he's a great guy), what will really happen? It'll be the same old crap we've always had because of the entrenched infighting that the president can't control. Point? Things will eventually get right back to where we are now, but it's nothing a good douching can't take care of :^D

[CoderGuy]

Surprised sgreger1 hasn't weighed in on this... where is he anyway, haven't seen him on in a few days.

[GoVegan]

Exactly! Obama=Bush III

Unfortunately that's what it's starting to look like. It's getting harder and harder to find any differences between Obama and Bush. What really scares me is that people were actually gullible enough to vote for Bush twice! Hopefully Obama will get his act together soon.

[sgreger1]

Surprised sgreger1 hasn't weighed in on this... where is he anyway, haven't seen him on in a few days.

Everyone knows what I think. This is just the next step in the slow process of taking away freedom and growing government into an unstoppable machine that cannot be defeated. We overthrew monarchy, but this new form of control will require much more than cutting off the kings head. They managed to enslave us while still making it just tolerable enough so that people will not rebel. Not even going to blame Obama. This has been 100 years in the making.

[CoderGuy]

Everyone knows what I think. This is just the next step in the slow process of taking away freedom and growing government into an unstoppable machine that cannot be defeated. We overthrew monarchy, but this new form of control will require much more than cutting off the kings head. They managed to enslave us while still making it just tolerable enough that people will not rebel. Not even going to blame Obama. This has been 100 years in the making.

Ah nice to see you again. Balance has been restored.

[sgreger1]

Ah nice to see you again. Balance has been restored.

Lol, of all the things I bring to a conversation, balance is not one of them.

[snupy]

Unfortunately that's what it's starting to look like. It's getting harder and harder to find any differences between Obama and Bush. What really scares me is that people were actually gullible enough to vote for Bush twice! Hopefully Obama will get his act together soon.

Obama's act is quite together already. He was given over $60 million by aristocrats for his election. He won. His policies are a pay off for those 'investments', but this is true of any who take the office. Neither you nor I have 'friends' who could finance a $60 million election campaign, why is why neither you nor I could ever be elected president.

[snupy]

the bill provides the legal infrastructure to shut down sites which violate copyright infringement,

Let me get this straight:

1. A computer is a copy machine. Every program loaded on a computer must be copied into RAM in order to run. A computer can make INFINITE numbers of copies of any file (ok, at least on non-Windows machines.)
2. Every time anyone visits Snuson, a copy of the website is downloaded to their computer, which then renders the copied web page in the browser.
3. #2 above is true of EVERY web page that EVERYONE will ever visit. therefore:
4. The internet is one huge copy machine.

How can 'copyright' exist in an age where every data that CAN be read, CAN EASILY be copied? Surely our government isn't so stupid as to think they have the power to prevent the copying of data in an information age whereby the sole means any information can be spread/consumed is via copying it to computers and making the copies available on the internet?

Did the invention of cars mean the horse and buggy could survive or did it mean something else entirely, due solely to economic forces?

Oh wait. Please forgive me. Our benevolent copyright overlords have spoken. Who am I to question the wealthy, however foolish their plans may be?

[shikitohno]

That would be because you've left out a step, snupy. Copyright law already recognizes the difference between having something in your RAM and having it on your harddrive. Things do not stay in your RAM indefinitely. They are copied to RAM, used to speed up certain processes, and then removed from the RAM.

[sgreger1]

The Obama administration is pushing for new wiretap laws that will allow them to collect anything and everything you do on the Internet. Including any calls you make on Skype, any updates on your Facebook page, and any emails you send. Welcome to Obama's police state.

There is a movement beginning to censor the internet in the United States. This bill, the COICA, will be the first step. This is real, and terribly frightening.

God Damn It, Dems Propose Bill That Would Gut FCC's Ability To Protect Net Neutrality

FBI Raids Homes of Antiwar Activists in Chicago and Minneapolis. This has to stop.


Its all part of a long-term plan:

"It is a sign that freedom is under attack when governments pronounce politically engaged citizens as "terrorists" and "extremists," and put anti-war activists on government files."