Why do people believe in conspiracy theories, or why does Tom exist...

[sgreger1]

Yes tom no one can state as a fact the age of the universe, you're right.

It's called competing "models of reality" One person's model of reality says the earth is 6,000 years old, the other person's model says the earth is around 4.5 billion years old.

Anytime you receive a new piece of information you test it against your own personal model of reality.

But it goes even further than that. We could someday find out the universe is older or younger by a certian amount, but 43 trillion years? We would have to rewrite everything we know about every discipline of science. The rate at which hydrogen burns in suns, how gravity affects things over time, the amoutn of energy in the universe as a whole, disribution of mass/energy, how long it takes for heat to distribute itself. There is just no way the world could be that old. Additionally, time/years would be measured differently on an alien planet. We use 1 revolution around the sun as a baseline, but a planet in a distant galaxy with a different orbital length would have a longer/shorter year. But even then, a race 43 trillion years more advanced than us would be smart enough to realize this and have their "contact" with this guy be aware of our calendar so they can use our prefered unit of measure when citing numbers.



I'm sorry but that just throws me off. I could even look past the cheesy "transcenders" name (which is some shit I would expect to see in a vidogame), I can't overlook the claim that they are that old. If they were that old, and have been here on earth for that long, surely some of them would have made themselves known by now. Why would they wait several hundred thousand years before making contact with humans? What's so special about today? What, because we're a decade into a global warming trend?

Sounds like this author plans to profit off of both the conspiracy theorist and global warming supporter demographics with his book.

[justintempler]

But it goes even further than that. We could someday find out the universe is older or younger by a certian amount, but 43 trillion years? We would have to rewrite everything we know about every discipline of science. .
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I jumped into the middle of a conversation so I'm not refering to a specific book.

Science allows us to adjust the age of the universe as new information becomes available.
Dogma that presupposes the answer doesn't allow you to rewrite. For our Young Earth Creationists friends the world will always be less than 10,000 years old,

Which model is more honest?

[MGX]

Here I thought aliens only appeared to abduct hillbillies and give them anal probes; not save us from global warming.

43e12 years? That's worlds away from the 4.5e9 years we've come to accept based on geologic and astronomic data. Would a specie even stay the same after 43e12 years? Are these beings related to the horseshoe crab?

[sgreger1]

I jumped into the middle of a conversation so I'm not refering to a specific book.

Science allows us to adjust the age of the universe as new information becomes available.
Dogma that presupposes the answer doesn't allow you to rewrite. For our Young Earth Creationists friends the world will always be less than 10,000 years old,

Which model is more honest?

Isaac Asimov - The Relativity of Being Wrong


Exactly. People say "Oh well science was wrong in the past so anything they claim to know now is probably wrong too". But it's about how "wrong/right" you are.

Science observes what it can with the tools available to it, and comes to conclusions based on the data available from observations. Over time, and as technology progresses, we refine our theories on things. It doens't mean our understanding of the world is the final say, but it is "more right" than it used to be. Like you pointed out, dogma doesn't allow for the facts to change if new information becomes available.


Science once thought the earth was flat, because it was observed to be that way (it looks flat). Then one day they realized the stars dissapear over the horizon, there must a curv they though, we must be orbiting around something etc. Over time, this led to the conclusion that the earth is round, and that we revolve around the sun. Later, this was observed to be true once we went into space. We can use math to determine exactly where the moon wil be at any given time, to predict the appropriate trajectory for a rocket headed for the moon and be 100% right. Science doesn't know (or claim to know) everthing, but science allows us the best, most accurate "guess" that is possible at any given time, since it adheres to a strict set of rules that don't allow for "belief", but rather assumptions based on the data available.




That is why I am saying, I don't think we can assume science is wrong about the world not being 43 trillion years old any more than we can assume that science was wrong about the earth being round.

[devilock76]

Here I thought aliens only appeared to abduct hillbillies and give them anal probes; not save us from global warming.

They mostly drive old pick-ups so maybe abducting them does help reduce their "carbon footprint".

Ken

[tom502]

I'm thinking this NY sighting may be balloons, though I hope not....

[truthwolf1]

The CIA-Alqaeda part is kinda blowing the book apart for me. I dont believe in the "Boogie men in Caves" lies anymore.

The CO2 also seems to prey on people's FEAR to sell this book.

If he would of stuck to new info about UFO's from high level NORAD sources and discussed that the Transcendors or Aliens are a trans-dimensional entity that would soon invite humans into I think he would of been better off.


The book Challenges of Change reports on the author’s years of communication with the Transcendors in a question and answer format intended to inform and challenge. The Transcendors reveal through the author crucial information about urgent global challenges facing mankind such as earth changes, international terrorism, worldwide financial collapse and the environmental crisis. One revelation is al Qaeda has a dirty nuclear bomb and WMD, but faces a moral quandary over “containment of collateral damages.”

Utilizing the theme of the Four Horsemen as symbolic metaphor, Fulham warns mankind will survive all of these future challenges, except the CO2 pollution of our atmosphere. According to information provided to the author by the Transcendors, the build-up of CO2 pollution is rising 1% annually to a “critical mass” of 22% in which mankind could not survive ”without outside intervention.”

[sgreger1]

I'm thinking this NY sighting may be balloons, though I hope not....

Could be, but i'll tel you what; it's hard to get ney yorkers to all stop in their footprints on the street to look up. And no baloons were reported to the FAA. Plus I imagine they see baloons there all the time. Still, could be baloons, but I guess people are claiming they had lights attached to them and were floating around instead of just floating up or being pushed by the wind.

[sgreger1]

The CIA-Alqaeda part is kinda blowing the book apart for me. I dont believe in the "Boogie men in Caves" lies anymore.

The CO2 also seems to prey on people's FEAR to sell this book.

If he would of stuck to new info about UFO's from high level NORAD sources and discussed that the Transcendors or Aliens are a trans-dimensional entity that would soon invite humans into I think he would of been better off.


The book Challenges of Change reports on the author’s years of communication with the Transcendors in a question and answer format intended to inform and challenge. The Transcendors reveal through the author crucial information about urgent global challenges facing mankind such as earth changes, international terrorism, worldwide financial collapse and the environmental crisis. One revelation is al Qaeda has a dirty nuclear bomb and WMD, but faces a moral quandary over “containment of collateral damages.”

Utilizing the theme of the Four Horsemen as symbolic metaphor, Fulham warns mankind will survive all of these future challenges, except the CO2 pollution of our atmosphere. According to information provided to the author by the Transcendors, the build-up of CO2 pollution is rising 1% annually to a “critical mass” of 22% in which mankind could not survive ”without outside intervention.”

Yah, we're going to weather everything but global warming? Lol, humans are extremely resilient. I am 100% positive global warming is not going to do us in. Even if things got real hot around here we would find a way. We survived an ice age, we can survive this. Not a big deal.


The "boogie-man" in caves thing is real though however, if I am understanding what you are saying correctly. There are terrorists/freedom fighters, there are groups of people who utilize caves in the mountaneous regions of afghanistan for bases of operation etc. I think that the higher tiers of the organizations are more politically controlled, but the foot soldiers don't know that, they think they are fighting for allah or for freedom. But to say they don't exist is a bit much. Considering they've killed several of my friends, I am pretty positive they exist.

[tom502]

This is what makes me think it might be balloons, yet, something like this should have been videoed by their local news, and I don't know when the time was this was done.....???
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/214/9...for_a_Day.html

[sgreger1]

This is what makes me think it might be balloons, yet, something like this should have been videoed by their local news, and I don't know when the time was this was done.....???
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/214/9...for_a_Day.html

No, small yellow baloons would not look like red/white/blue structures floating around with lights attached to them, noticeable enough to stop people in the street.

[truthwolf1]

Yah, we're going to weather everything but global warming? Lol, humans are extremely resilient. I am 100% positive global warming is not going to do us in. Even if things got real hot around here we would find a way. We survived an ice age, we can survive this. Not a big deal.


The "boogie-man" in caves thing is real though however, if I am understanding what you are saying correctly. There are terrorists/freedom fighters, there are groups of people who utilize caves in the mountaneous regions of afghanistan for bases of operation etc. I think that the higher tiers of the organizations are more politically controlled, but the foot soldiers don't know that, they think they are fighting for allah or for freedom. But to say they don't exist is a bit much. Considering they've killed several of my friends, I am pretty positive they exist.

I am not talking about the IED planters, freedom Iragi fighter's, terrorists blowing up Kurds, baathists, embassy (anti America everywhere middle east sharia bombing elements) but the higher up CIA asset's like Bin Laden and Atta type terrorist training camp group hiding in elaborate caves ready to nuke Chicago.
The (questionable) group of terrorists the mainstream media is always FEARING the people with.

[tom502]

What about this?
http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/..._teachers.html

I really want it to be ET UFOs, but I don't wanna just believe it. I have read some odd light behaviour happened in that evening too...

[truthwolf1]

My first thought was a pack of balloons but they would of had to of been a little metallic to give off multi color light reflections. If those are the same balloons, then they do look like they could reflect multi colors at high altitudes.

[tom502]

Why couldn't it have just been the standard saucer style?


But what makes me question this "event", is, I think, IF "they" wanted to make an effort to be known, they would have done so, and not just used weak orb style stuff that is too close to looking like a balloon. I am a "believer", but this just ain't movin' me.