It's Official: I Have Leukoplakia

[TheOneandOnly]

I suppose to could have been a combo of years of smoking cigarettes, maybe cigars/pipes.. Then snus, dip and chew..maybe poor oral hygeine also..?

[GoVegan]

IT's also caused by smoking and drinking and sorry to inform everyone that it does lead to cancer in very isolated cases.

Well, we're all taking the risk, smoking has been one of then at least for me for the past 14 years or so now I'm on snus and dip but don't know for how long.

Can you please name me just 2 cases of cancer caused by snus? I really would like a cookie about now!

[Snusdog]

IT's also caused by smoking and drinking and sorry to inform everyone that it does lead to cancer in very isolated cases.

Well, we're all taking the risk, smoking has been one of then at least for me for the past 14 years or so now I'm on snus and dip but don't know for how long.

drop the................."and dip" part from your statement

(from someone who dipped 25 plus years)

There is a difference between the two

and that difference is serious

dip is bad news

Trust me.............I am not dealing with all this Pact stuff just for flavor

Also, let me add my official apology to the forum for hijacking a serious thread.

Please do not take the levity of my recent posts to in anyway lesson the genuine condolences offered to SJ in my prior post.

[sgreger1]

Snusjus, how long have u been snusing? And did u used to dip? Hopefully this turns out to be nothing man.

[snusjus]

I rarely dip or use "chew" tobacco. The location of the leukoplakia is the in the exact spot where I place my snus. My dentist pointed out when he saw the spot, "You must place tobacco in your upper lip. That's uncommon." He could tell instantly that I placed tobacco there.

As for all of the comments, don't worry about me. Lxkllr posted a study that concluded oral cancer DOES NOT result from snus induced lesions (leukoplakia). My dentist also said quitting snus would make the leukoplakia go away, but who would want to do that?!

[TheOneandOnly]

How long you been snusing?

[precious007]

drop the................."and dip" part from your statement

(from someone who dipped 25 plus years)

There is a difference between the two

and that difference is serious

dip is bad news

Not sure what you mean mate by drop "the dip" part..

And if you've been dipping for 25 years then that's a different story. We're all different, remember?

[snusjus]

How long you been snusing?

About three years. I'm also a heavy drinker (about 40 beers per week).

As for my habits, I brush my teeth twice and floss once daily. I consume, on average, 10 portions/prillas per day (mainly Extra Sterk brands).

Also, to clear some things up, a "snus lesion" is the same thing as leukoplakia. About 80% of snus users will develop this, so it's nothing too rare... or anything to worry about.

[Snusdog]

Not sure what you mean mate by drop "the dip" part..

And if you've been dipping for 25 years then that's a different story. We're all different, remember?

There are just more risk factors involved with dip than with snus. Thus with an alternative like snus it seems these risk are unnecessary.

And yes we are all different..................but there are some areas where those differences do not factor into the equation in any significant manner.

so............... if I put two plates of brownies in front of you

both are identical

except in one batch I mixed in just small amount of poop...........it probably wont make you sick if you eat just a few..........and we all know people metabolize food differently.................that said..................which brownies are you going to eat

[precious007]

About three years. I'm also a heavy drinker (about 40 beers per week).

Specialists say that the main reason for leukoplakia is the the high use of oral tobacco, smoking and alcohol so that explains it.

so............... if I put two plates of brownies in front of you

both are identical

except in one batch I mixed in just small amount of poop...........it probably wont make you sick if you eat just a few..........and we all know people metabolize food differently.................that said..................which brownies are you going to eat

1) I know the differences and risks of both SNUS and DIP.
2) Your language is offensive, have you been drinking lately?

[Joe234]

Leukoplakia

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leukoplakia

Although the term "leukoplakia" often applies to conditions of the mouth, it can also be used to describe conditions of the genitals and urinary tract.

[Bigblue1]

God I made it to page 2 and this thread then it became tiresome, I dipped and smoke simultaneously for 16 years and now snus and snuff exclusively and,,,,,, ah who the f uck cares! It is what it is, and of of all the registered members on this site, a few are bound to have some ****ing issues, whether the snus is the problem or not, life is like that. My dad quit smoking when he was 30 and quit drinking when he was 40 and ended up dying at 57 regardless, whatcha gonna do? In my opinion, if it makes you worried you should quit, if it makes you happy you should do what makes you happy. If your Tom502, you pray for Aliens, that is all......

[Joe234]

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This is an excerpt from the above link:

Leukoplakia and Smokeless Tobacco ( ST )

Oral leukoplakia is an ominous sounding term used frequently in discussions about oral lesions resulting from ST use. The term literally means "white plaque," and it is used to describe areas of the mouth lining that become thickened by ST use or smoking. The World Health Organization has determined that leukoplakias resulting from ST use are considerably different from those resulting from smoking. The distinctions are based on the frequency of occurrence, the location in the mouth, and how often these leukoplakias result in mouth cancer.

The condition is rare, occurring in less than 1% of the general population, primarily in long-time smokers 40 to 60 years old. Smoking-related leukoplakias most commonly involve the undersurface of the tongue and throat area, locations that account for 75% of oral cancer in the U.S..

Oral leukoplakias occur in up to 60% of ST users, within 6 months to 3 years of starting ST use. They primarily occur at the site of ST use and are largely a result of local irritation. The frequency of appearance depends on the type of ST that is used. Moist snuff, which is more alkaline than chewing tobacco, more often leads to leukoplakia. However, moist snuff in pre-portioned pouches (like snus) causes fewer cases of leukoplakia than does the loose form.

There are distinct differences in how often ST and smoking leukoplakias show pre-cancerous changes called dysplasia. Dysplasia is seen infrequently in ST leukoplakias (less than 3%). Furthermore, even when dysplasia is present in ST leukoplakia, it usually is found in earlier stages than in leukoplakias among smokers, where it is seen in about 20% of cases.

ST leukoplakias only rarely progress to cancer. For example, one study found no case of cancer in 1,550 ST users with leukoplakia who were followed for 10 years, and a second study reported no case of oral cancer among 500 regular ST users followed for six years. A retrospective study of 200,000 male snuff users in Sweden found only one case of oral cancer per year, an extremely low frequency. In comparison, a follow-up study reported that 17% of smoking leukoplakias transformed into cancer within seven years.

In conclusion, oral leukoplakia occurs commonly in ST users, but it primarily represents irritation and only very rarely progresses to oral cancer.

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[precious007]

Oral leukoplakias occur in up to 60% of ST users, within 6 months to 3 years of starting ST use.

I'd doubt 60% of the people get leukoplakias, that's probably just another ad spot.

[Joe234]

I'd doubt 60% of the people get leukoplakias, that's probably just another ad spot.

So what if it does?

ST leukoplakias only rarely progress to cancer. For example, one study found no case of cancer in 1,550 ST users with leukoplakia who were followed for 10 years

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