Snus and Cardiovascular health

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  • BradenL
    Member
    • Dec 2010
    • 187

    #1

    Snus and Cardiovascular health

    To begin I'm in pharmacy school so I have a some credibility as to what I'm talking about. I was a smoker from when I was 16 years old until I discovered smokeless tobacco. I stopped smoking (except for the occasional monte cristo) and went started full time dipping. I started snusing with marlboro and phillip morris snus to get through work (I'm a math tutor at an afterschool education firm part time) and decided to see if there were other brands as I was getting burnt out on all of the peppermint and frost. I found out that snus is by and by the most harmless way to use tobacco and decided to go to swedish snus full time.

    So, onto the meat of this thread. I'm sure that most people on this forum are well educated on the health effects of snus so I'll skip the standard rigmarole of saying how great it is to be able to discreetly use a tobacco product that doesn't negatively effect your health. Most of us know that smoking is a major contributing factor to heart disease and cardiovascular damage. This is in part due to the fact that when the smoke is inhaled into the lungs the carbon monoxide bonds with hemoglobin (you know, the oxygen carrying molecule in red blood cells) and distributes poisonous carbon monoxide throughout all the cells in the body. However, there is still a substantial risk of cardiovascular problems in those that use dipping tobacco and chew tobacco. Most of us know that on its own nicotine is a fairly non-damaging substance and its really the TSNA's that give you cancer and ultimately end up deforming your face or killing you. Nicotine does have one profound damaging affect on the body. It constricts blood vessels. This doesn't really seem like a big problem at first, but we all know its true. Anyone who has smoked for extended periods of time knows that theres no way in hell that they could run a marathon or really run for an extended period of time and if you've ever tried to go on the treadmill with a fat chaw in (Just a personal story there haha) knows that their performance was pretty crappy.

    It's actually pretty intuitive when it comes to the cardiovascular damage of nicotine. Constricted blood vessels make them easier to clot and thusly get a heart attack of stroke, constricted blood vessels don't allow your cells to become as quickly oxygenated which damages your ability to do physical work, and constricted blood vessels can lead to atherosclerosis which is when your arteries actually harden and are no longer malleable enough to support varying blood pressures in different situations. Constricted blood vessels really depend on the nicotine absorption into your blood stream. If you've read the massachusetts health department's report on snus and smokeless tobacco there are a variety of graphs (For some reason I can't seem to import the graph from the pdf). One of these shows the absorption rates of the different US smokeless brands in comparison with Ettan snus and smoking. Nicotine absorption is extremely fast in smoking as the nicotine is deposited right into your lungs where the red blood cells pick it up and deposit it throughout the body. The different brands of dip have a much lower absorption rate but are still considerable higher than that of snus. With snus, you get a constant nicotine absorption rate that the body can manage. The nicotine in snus is still there but it is given in lower doses over a longer period of time which does not damage your cardiovascular system nearly as much as any other way of getting nicotine (besides the patch; but who uses that crap anyways).

    To sum it all up, snus is awesome. Snus allows you to get nicotine in the amount you need without constricting your blood vessels, arteries, and capillaries. There is still some effect as you still are ingesting nicotine, but it isn't in the amounts that could be considered dangerous. If you wanna have a healthy heart, skip the cheerios...buy a tin of Ettan and maybe, just maybe, work out.
  • Darwin
    Member
    • Mar 2010
    • 1372

    #2
    Wow a future pharmacist is now a convert. That might be significantly more important in terms of dissemination of the advantages of snus than a clinic full of MDs. Bully, huzzah, and like that there.

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    • BradenL
      Member
      • Dec 2010
      • 187

      #3
      I'm in a dual MBA/Doctor of pharmacy grad school program...so if I ever open up my own pharmacy I want it to be like a walgreens with the tobacco shelf full of snus and no crappy $1 cigars and cigarettes.

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      • whalen
        Member
        • May 2009
        • 6593

        #4
        Well it is a matter of harm reduction, I have spent the last year and a half living with Snus and nursing myself back from a quintuple heart bypass. Smoking no doubt was a major contributor to my Atherosclerosis, along with diet and family history. I have spent a year and a half watching the effect that Snus has on my body. It has allowed me to totally quit smoking, which is THE most important factor in my recovery. Smoking was killing me - period.

        That said, Snus use, for me, has to be moderated, no extra Sterks, or massive binges. I monitor my blood pressure constantly and suffer from elevations due to snus usage, I have restricted my salt intake to where Snus is the major source of my intake. I go to the trouble of washing a good portion of it out of the Snus by running water through it, although enough remains to aid in uptake. I cannot Snus then go to the gym, I have to wait at least an hour. I occasionally have to spit out a snus if I am feeling to constricted. exercise is my best medicine, I have to stay healthy to tolerate the Snus.

        If you smoke I have no doubt that Snus is better for you, but if you are having problems already, then it might be to late. Diet and excercize allows me to use Snus, but just barely! It would be much better if I used no tobacco at all. I have a friend who just had a aortic aneurysm, he was a life time tobacco lover, but even Snus would be dangerous for him.

        If you wanna have a healthy heart, Eat the cheerios...,skip the cheese,buy a tin of Ettan and always work out! That works for me!!!!
        wiki "Popcorn Sutton" a true COOT!

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        • GoVegan
          Member
          • Oct 2009
          • 5603

          #5
          I would just love to go into a pharmacy and see a fridge full of snus!

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          • BradenL
            Member
            • Dec 2010
            • 187

            #6
            Whalen, I was kidding about skipping the Cheerios. My Grandmother was actually a lifetime smoker and when she died of lung cancer and had already had 2 heart attacks before her death at the age of 62 I decided to try and stop smoking. I failed and then started dipping as a 'healthy' alternative to smoking. That's amazing that you have completely changed your lifestyle after your quintuple bypass. The 21st century really is the time to stop smoking. We understand the risks as a scientific community and have created excellent alternatives to smoking. I only really use my greensmoke e-cig and snus but there really are a variety of choices available nowadays!

            GoVegan, I think I would die from pure happiness if Walgreens had a walk in fridge with shelves of snus like cigar shops have walk in humidors...

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            • GoVegan
              Member
              • Oct 2009
              • 5603

              #7
              I am going to agree with Braden's post - you made some remarkable lifestyle changes Whalen!

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              • rickcharles606
                Member
                • Mar 2009
                • 2307

                #8
                Originally posted by BradenL View Post
                I'm in a dual MBA/Doctor of pharmacy grad school program...so if I ever open up my own pharmacy I want it to be like a walgreens with the tobacco shelf full of snus and no crappy $1 cigars and cigarettes.
                When you open your own pharmacy....give me a call and we'll get you stocked with snus

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                • whalen
                  Member
                  • May 2009
                  • 6593

                  #9
                  If I had only changed my life style earlier! I am a very Lucky man, I am healthier than I ever have been, I enjoy my Snus! You know the only outward signs I had of a problem were masked! The bottom line for my health problems were smoking, and a genetic predisposition for low good cholesterol. My overall cholesteral reading was within normal range. I exercise to stay alive now, it is my best medicine, although after a year and a half at the gym I am getting way to muscular, I have lost 30 pounds of fat and gained ten pounds of muscle. I have been told I look great now about 50 times! Most of my casual conversations go like this, "You look Good", and my reply is always "I feel good". Snuff has helped with the cig cravings too! The cravings never have gone away, probably never will.
                  wiki "Popcorn Sutton" a true COOT!

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                  • BradenL
                    Member
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 187

                    #10
                    Whalen you should do P90x and get ripped. hahahahahahah
                    Seriously though, my dad and I did it my senior year. I swear his grey hairs went away and my lungs pretty much completely recouped from a couple years of smoking in 90 days haha

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                    • BradenL
                      Member
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 187

                      #11
                      Rick I'll defnitely take you up on that offer (:

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                      • Jimbob_Rebel
                        Member
                        • Jun 2010
                        • 169

                        #12
                        Whalen, you might want to do some reading up on vitamin "D".........it regulates how your body uses calcium and it's not supposed to be lining your arteries with it. Vitamin "C" is also pretty important as plaque deposits are a substitute for vitamin "C" for artery maintenance when you're deficient.

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                        • WickedKitchen
                          Member
                          • Nov 2009
                          • 2528

                          #13
                          I remember Whalen telling me his story on Snuffhouse. He's doing great. Man, good for you!

                          I cannot snus and do strenuous exercise. I never took a portion to the gym but I tried it mountain biking and ugh. I tried it on a difficult hike and I thought I was going to hurl. It does effect bp so I try to abstain for a bit before these activities. I'm only in my mid 30's but I don't want to spit in the face of health so I limit the snus. I should probably kick the sterks all together, and will in time but 1-2 a day is what I allow myself now. I too have a predisposition to low HDL so diet and exercise keep it within acceptable range, but just barely. I have to cram in bananas and porridge on a regular basis but I've come to like it.

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                          • shag1952
                            Member
                            • Aug 2010
                            • 83

                            #14
                            Hi all
                            I'm very happy I ran into this thread today. I've been looking for info concerning snus and the cardiovascular system for quite some time, BradenL's post finally cleared the air for me

                            also like whalen, I've had heart attack and have been trying to quit the smokes for about 10 years now, I'm still struggling but i think snus may be the answer I'm looking for. As for now I do okay on the snus for few days them I find some lame brained excuse to smoke again. i think maybe this thread may have opened my eyes. And some other things ain't workin so well either and this can be directly related to smoking and a poor cardiovascular system. so I suppose it's try try again, the damnest thing is I know snus works and if I'd only let it i could be off these smokes for good.

                            Thanks
                            Tim

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                            • xMurderJunkiex
                              Member
                              • Aug 2010
                              • 53

                              #15
                              Yeah, that was a fantastic synopsis...
                              I have been trying to quit smoking for most of 2010... Ten bucks a pack (and not my destroyed throat, sore tongue, or black lungs) was really my breaking point. I did pretty well with it, as well as I could with a wife who still smokes. I'd be good with having one cig maybe every three or four days if not longer, but the last two months and especially the last three weeks have been awful as I've smoked my face off, and am still snusing.

                              I just ordered three more rolls, and your piece here is really giving me the gusto to try and give it a go again... While I'm not completely smoke-free (I am FAR from giving up my daily green), I do immediately feel better when the Marlboros are out the picture.

                              Thanks to everyone for their cigarette-conquering stories...

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