Article by Oralcancerfoundation.org

[Inigo Montoya]

Still researching snus and found and article on oralcancerfoundation.org with a long report on smoking and dip with this snippet at the end about snus.

New research from The Department of Environmental Medicine at the Swedish medical university Karolinska Institutet demonstrates that users of Swedish smokeless tobacco called 'snus' run a higher risk of dying from cardiac arrest and stroke. Although the study did not show an increased risk of snus use and [incidence of] myocardial infarction, it did show a 30 per cent increased risk of fatal heart attack compared with people who have never used the product. Amongst those who suffer non-fatal heart attacks, users of snus have a higher fatality rate in general than non-users, and from cardiovascular diseases in particular.

Users also ran a higher risk of developing high blood pressure, which is a known factor of cardiovascular disease and they were also more likely to suffer a fatal stroke. Two major population studies were used for the research. The first comprised Swedish men between the ages of 45 and 70, living in the counties of Stockholm or Västernorrland between 1992 and 1994. A total of 1,432 men diagnosed with first-episode myocardial infarction were compared in terms of tobacco habits and other factors with a control group of men from the same regions without heart problems. The second was a study using data from health checks of all workers in the building industry between the years of 1978 and 1993. Information recorded at these checks included tobacco habits and blood pressure. Episodes of non-fatal and fatal myocardial infarction, strokes and blood pressure readings for over 100,000 snus users and non-users were followed until 2003/4.

Complete link here ... http://www.oralcancerfoundation.org/...of_tobacco.htm

Not a lot in there you guys don't already know but a lot of the article focused on cancer until they got to swedish snus, then it focused on heart attack and high blood pressure.

Sorry if this has been posted before, seemed an interesting article to me.

You may resume you regularly scheduled snusing now

[CoderGuy]

Still researching snus and found and article on oralcancerfoundation.org with a long report on smoking and dip with this snippet at the end about snus.

New research from The Department of Environmental Medicine at the Swedish medical university Karolinska Institutet demonstrates that users of Swedish smokeless tobacco called 'snus' run a higher risk of dying from cardiac arrest and stroke. Although the study did not show an increased risk of snus use and [incidence of] myocardial infarction, it did show a 30 per cent increased risk of fatal heart attack compared with people who have never used the product. Amongst those who suffer non-fatal heart attacks, users of snus have a higher fatality rate in general than non-users, and from cardiovascular diseases in particular.

Users also ran a higher risk of developing high blood pressure, which is a known factor of cardiovascular disease and they were also more likely to suffer a fatal stroke. Two major population studies were used for the research. The first comprised Swedish men between the ages of 45 and 70, living in the counties of Stockholm or Västernorrland between 1992 and 1994. A total of 1,432 men diagnosed with first-episode myocardial infarction were compared in terms of tobacco habits and other factors with a control group of men from the same regions without heart problems. The second was a study using data from health checks of all workers in the building industry between the years of 1978 and 1993. Information recorded at these checks included tobacco habits and blood pressure. Episodes of non-fatal and fatal myocardial infarction, strokes and blood pressure readings for over 100,000 snus users and non-users were followed until 2003/4.

Complete link here ... http://www.oralcancerfoundation.org/...of_tobacco.htm

Not a lot in there you guys don't already know but a lot of the article focused on cancer until they got to swedish snus, then it focused on heart attack and high blood pressure.

Sorry if this has been posted before, seemed an interesting article to me.

You may resume you regularly scheduled snusing now

It is interesting, thanks. Just proves what the Swedes have already said, snusing doesn't cause cancer.

The problem with these types of studies is they always compare to people that have never smoked or people that have never used oral tobacco. They need to do a study where they take 1000 2pk per day smokers and switch them to snus and see how much they have reduced harm.

[snusgetter]

It is interesting, thanks. Just proves what the Swedes have already said, snusing doesn't cause cancer.

The problem with these types of studies is they always compare to people that have never smoked or people that have never used oral tobacco. They need to do a study where they take 1000 2pk per day smokers and switch them to snus and see how much they have reduced harm.

But then they'd lose their arguments!!
Can't have that, now, can we??

[visiON]

I hate how they bring out the 100k people statistics, because it's only statistics.
If 10 people, that have never used tobacco products, out of a 100,000 got cancer,heart attack whatever, and they compared it to 20 that got cancer,heart attack or whatever. The 20 might have gotten cancer / had a heart attack even if they didn't use tobacco.

[CoderGuy]

I hate how they bring out the 100k people statistics, because it's only statistics.
If 10 people, that have never used tobacco products, out of a 100,000 got cancer,heart attack whatever, and they compared it to 20 that got cancer,heart attack or whatever. The 20 might have gotten cancer / had a heart attack even if they didn't use tobacco.

Exactly. For instance when they talk about snus doubling your risk of pancreatic cancer. Well true, but 4 out of 100000 never users get pancreatic cancer, compared to 8 out of 100000 snusers. But what they dont tell you is 16 out of 100000 smokers get it. So again, smoker switching to snus, you cut your risk in 1/2

[stubby2]

Brad Rodu has done a number of recent articles on his blog about the Karolinska Institutet and one on pancreatic cancer

http://rodutobaccotruth.blogspot.com...co-is-not.html

http://rodutobaccotruth.blogspot.com...e-want-to.html

http://rodutobaccotruth.blogspot.com...arolinska.html

http://rodutobaccotruth.blogspot.com...us-use-in.html

The Karolinska Institutet appears to be yet another anti-tobacco groups of zealots with highly questionable studies. It certainly appears that the more recent studies have shown no connection with smokeless tobacco and pancreatic cancer. This was a matter of...... cooking the books. You have to be very careful as to what you read when it comes to tobacco as it's such a politically charged subject. Just go over to places like Tobacco Free Kids, ALA, ACS, AHA, and see what they have to say about smokeless tobacco

http://investinginyouth.org/wp-conte...et-6-16-08.pdf

If you are really interested in doing research give this a read. Much better information then the propaganda type link you provided.

http://www.tobaccoharmreduction.org/thr2010yearbook.htm

[Inigo Montoya]

Stubby,

Thanks for the links bro, lots of good reading there.

[Frosted]

Take snus and just look after yourself.
If you sit in a chair your whole life, of course your cardiovascular system is going to be weak.

I'm the guinea pig here, the user and snus has NOT increased my blood pressure, not even slightly - 120/69.
Those folks with the high blood pressure etc. were either going to get it anyway through genetics or just sat on their backsides eating McDonalds all their life - those are the causes of cardiovascular disease, along with smoking of course.

[precious007]

117 - 79 .... never had blood pressure issues .....

I do have a bad circulation though, due to the sedentary life,...

Thanks for the article.

[Frosted]

Bang on there danielan.

[Snusdog]

Amongst those who suffer non-fatal heart attacks, users of snus have a higher fatality rate in general than non-users, and from cardiovascular diseases in particular.

Is it me...................or does something seem not quite right about this claim.

I mean..........how can there be a fatality rate........................ for non-fatal occurrences.

Or

are they saying that in general ....................snusers tend to die .....................while nonsusers..............live forever...........and eventually become Highlanders............... and sword fight each other for world mastery.

Gotta love science...............

[Snusdog]

Two major population studies were used for the research. The first comprised Swedish men between the ages of 45 and 70, living in the counties of Stockholm or Västernorrland between 1992 and 1994. A total of 1,432 men diagnosed with first-episode myocardial infarction were compared in terms of tobacco habits and other factors with a control group of men from the same regions without heart problems.

The second was a study using data from health checks of all workers in the building industry between the years of 1978 and 1993. Information recorded at these checks included tobacco habits and blood pressure. Episodes of non-fatal and fatal myocardial infarction, strokes and blood pressure readings for over 100,000 snus users and non-users were followed until 2003/4.

I know that the second study was dismissed by US government researchers as compromised and inconclusive. I seem to remember the first one suffering the same fate.

The simple fact is that if these studies were even remotely relighable..............the warning labels on snus IN SWEDEN would read very differently than they do now. The Swedish government was not forced to remove their prior warnings because they had strong evidence in their corner.

[CoderGuy]

Is it me...................or does something seem not quite right about this claim.

I mean..........how can there be a fatality rate........................ for non-fatal occurrences.

Or

are they saying that in general ....................snusers tend to die .....................while nonsusers..............live forever...........and eventually become Highlanders............... and sword fight each other for world mastery.

Gotta love science...............

LMAO!

Who wants to live forever. Would rather have a shortened life filled with snus than a life 5 years longer craving nic for the duration.

[GoVegan]

It is interesting, thanks. Just proves what the Swedes have already said, snusing doesn't cause cancer.

The problem with these types of studies is they always compare to people that have never smoked or people that have never used oral tobacco. They need to do a study where they take 1000 2pk per day smokers and switch them to snus and see how much they have reduced harm.

I would love to see that study. I would also like to see a study about the effectiveness of using snus to stop smoking vs other NRT's like the patch or gum.

[CoderGuy]

I would love to see that study. I would also like to see a study about the effectiveness of using snus to stop smoking vs other NRT's like the patch or gum.

That too would be a good study. I know I had tried patches, Zyban, gum, more patches, even the e-cig, and nothing could stop me from smoking, until I started snus. Now next month will be 2 years without even a drag on a cig after 26 years @ 2 pk per day.