Originally posted by Frosted
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Heat Pasturization products?
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I personally am interested in what GN has to say, and I fully trust that his intentions are honorable and wouldn't mislead his consumers. Eurofin has done studies, and now GN is going to talk about that here. I don't fault the OP from wanting to use the safest possible product, but I do feel he needs to have all the information, from every side before making that decision.
The danger in this thread is that a few misplaced words or bits of info could harm the reputation of a good snus producer, and we don't want that to happen at all. However, we cannot jump down the throat of every newb that comes here and asks a question...hell, I've asked a few dipshit questions in my day, haven't we all. We should be more concerned with educating everyone.
@Tom....who says snuff is safer than snus btw? Now, if any statement in this thread needed sourcing...it was yours, lol
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Originally posted by GN Tobacco Sweden AB View Post6 our microbiologist worked for Swedish Institute Karolinska 30 years ( as far i know ABW is doktor or work at hospital he probably have herd about that institute )
7 That microbiologist worked on issue TOBAK NICOTIN AND NITROSAMINS as a hed resercher))))
continue in 45 minets)))
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Originally posted by rickcharles606 View Post@Tom....who says snuff is safer than snus btw? Now, if any statement in this thread needed sourcing...it was yours, lol
That being said, I'm satisfied with the risks regarding snus and snuff, and have no qualms, or concerns regarding either form.
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Originally posted by GN Tobacco Sweden AB7 a ) If you want to produce quolity product you have to have very high quality tobacco what is high quality tobacco for exapmple ( we do not use tobacco lef stem in our produkts lif concist of lef with stem in thet why becose it is not good for snus it will be cheaper for us but less god quality for you as a consumer)...
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Originally posted by tom502 View PostI think if one is paranoid or overtly concerned about tobacco products, they should just quit.
While we are talking about TSNA's every day, serious scientists are still debating whether nitrosamines (in the small amounts that are found in our general diet - and in tobacco) are unhealthy in the first place. An absolute conclusive link between cancer and small amounts of nitrosamines has never been found. The Swedish food administration has an eye on the snus-producers all the time, mainly on the hygiene of the production facilities, but the tests for TSNA-contents only take place about once in ten years. The last official Swedish snus-TSNA-study that I know of, is from 2005. If that doesn't speak volumes.
It's a waste of time IMHO to think too much about TSNA-contents. Or in other words, if you do so, you should as well do so for every food product that you consume, you should investigate, how the coffee beans that you use have been prepared and whether the slice of ham on the bread has been air-dried or smoke-cured (and afterwards let ferment or not). Not to mention the coleslaw, the cheese etc. etc. And far more than about food products, maybe you should ask yourself about the exhaust fumes or the cleansing agents, the chemicals that you get in contact with every day.
Shortly said, to assume that the dangers of tobacco come from the small amounts of TSNA's has always been nothing but speculation and it's long known from epidemical studies that it's only the smoke that makes tobacco use dangerous. Nonetheless, there are still some scientists who make money by writing books about the irrelevant TSNA-topic ... and many producers of smokeless tobacco still try to discredit their competitors when they suggest that the TSNA-contents in their products are lower than in the products of other manufacturers. It's all a big business made up from claims that are long proven as irrelevant.
BTW, I have no idea about the exact methods of tobacco-preparation that single snus-producers use, they are company secrets anyway.
Cheers!
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Originally posted by lxskllr View PostThat's my opinion also. I base that on long time use, and lack of evidence regarding health problems. Also, the quantities used with nasal snuff are much smaller, with less time in contact with tissue. If nothing else, snuff won't cause gum recession, though it can affect the nasal cavity. Teeth are harder to care for than the inside on the nose, so I consider that a plus on the side of snuff.
That being said, I'm satisfied with the risks regarding snus and snuff, and have no qualms, or concerns regarding either form.
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Originally posted by GN Tobacco Sweden AB View PostNext is to fynd that tobacco which has low tsna it is no big deal but the problem is not every tobacco is good for snus you do not use forexample Gold Virgina in Snus as it is wrong taste but that tobacco is one of the best tobaccos for ciggarets Benson & Hedges Rothmans used Golden Virgini from Zimbabve to get that exelent taste of 70'80's......
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Originally posted by GN Tobacco Sweden AB View PostBut in every cigaret you have about 70 to 80 procent lef and 20 to 30 procent stem why becose it is a masa which maks produkt cheper in snus it can be done as well but some small producers want to make good produkt to get customers her is the point wher i want to come to steam or heat pustorisation issue............
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Originally posted by GN Tobacco Sweden ABno many in warld could or will make us change or way of doing our snus as we do we do not do snus in SM way we do not do snus in American dip way we do our way as Sinatra sad once Gothiatek is SM GNotek is ours now evry producer makes snus in the way as it is right for there company to make snus as we do it is much more longer period then big companys way ........
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GN,
Thank you for taking the time to explain all of this. There is something to be said for a company spending time to explain thier product to the consumer.
I just want to clear a few things up.
I never came to snuson or this thread to stir things up or slander anyone. I'm sorry GN if you felt i was. I started the thread for answers. I put the article in the tread for opinions, not to say you were out to harm anyone.
I hope we all can move on and enjoy this great site together!
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