Is American dip safe?

[woodster]

Until American tobacco companies put a label on their cans that says explicitly what is in there- I'll avoid it - I'm making the assumption that were these companies not hiding a few things, they wouldn't guard this information so closely, nor leave it up for conjecture on forums like this one.

[Bigblue1]

Stuff yourself full of high antioxidant foods to offset anything else you may be doing that might raise the risk of cancer.

Good point.. Let's see.. I take new chapters life sheild(different types of mushrooms), new chapter multi, and 3 grams of purified fish oil... lol.. I should be good to go...

Don't forget at least a thousand mgs of Vitamin C everyday.

[Owens187]

I hope he continues to show improvement.. You must remember that I am in the hospital. This is where a concentration of Ill people come so we see a lot of things more often than most...

As I am "In the hospital" also, as you put it, lol, I have to agree with lx. There is no way you can call anecdotal experiences "proof". I have had literal TONS of patients with head and neck, throat, esophogeal, and lung cancers, that have NEVER been tobacco users. A lot of cancer is indeed determined by genetics and predisposition. Now I am not saying tobacco does not raise this risk, as it definately does, especially if you are indeed predispositioned. But your own experiences count for absolutely squat. Especially if you're basing this on only your very limited experience so far in your clinicals.


An exaple:

In my own family, my grandfather died 10 years ago from cancer, started in the chest and eventually matastacized to bone, brain, and pretty much everywhere else in his body. My grandfather never smoked or drank in his life. He died at 62 years old.

My great-grandfather on the other hand, drank like a fish, smoked cigarettes and cigars since he was a teenager, and literally rode his "Rascal" down the street to the bar every single day. Always said it was what kept him alive. He died a few years ago. He was 106.

[Snusify]

I dunno whatever yo' drug is, if it works for you do it, if dont work for you no mo' stop doing it.

[sirloot]

I think the best policy : All things ... in moderation

[Snusdog]

I think I'm getting a Rascal and a 5th

[spirit72]

I think I'm getting a Rascal and a 5th

LOL, consider that motion seconded!!

[fishmeat]

I came to say...no. Do the research, it just can't be trusted.

[ILoveSnus]

My concern with dip is the other factors that enter into the discussion. From the research that I have seen the TSNAs are higher than snus but some companies have lowered that count for their brands (still a bit higher than snus).

However for me the TSNA is only a part of the equation. I dipped for 25 years....... Copenhagen, then Red Seal, then Timber Wolf. My experience then is not with an occassional dip but constant dipping over an extended period of time (now I chain snus and have been doing so for some 4 years). Here is my concern and why I will not go back to dip

1) Dip tore my gums up to no end............. in ways that snus never has.........my gums have healed and are all but smooth now
2) Dip gave me heart burn and I could never swallow the juice..............not the case with snus
3) The addictiveness of something other than Nicotine in dip that I craved even after switching to snus (my bottom lip actually craved it for about a month after making the change to snus and I could feel its absence in the snus fix.... if that makes sense)
4) Lower TSNA levels in snus compared to all dip

The point is dip and snus are not the same and the TSNA is only part of it....................there are other things going on with dip......................and that concerned me as much if not more than TSNA levels.

That said.................I know certain dip companies have become more TSNA conscious...........and that is a good thing.................however for me personally my experience with snus has made it worth the extra hassle.

My advice would be to stick with snus..........not in the "bogyman, scare tactic, your face is going to fall off if you dip" sort of way...............but just because from beginning to end the process of making snus is safer and held to a higher purity standard than dip.................but if you do decide to go with dip I would just tell you to listen to your body.................and if you start noticing anything over time with dip then reassess

Hope this helps

Well I can say this much - before switching to Timberwolf I had a lot of the same issues you've had. I used to dip Kodiak and Husky, and as a result I've had gingivitis, a little leukoplakia, and a lot of cavities.

When I learned that Swedish Match also makes dip I started using those brands exclusively, and have had much better dental checkups as my gums were much healthier and I have yet to have a cavity from Timberwolf. That said, I'm not too concerned about gum disease, my biggest fear is cancer.

I understand that dip and snus are not the same products with the same risks. Timberwolf and Longhorn are still fire-cured tobacco products, but have TSNA levels consistent with Swedish Match's snus products. I've found that they use similar manufacturing processes for their dips to keep the carcinogenic nitrosamines at the lowest possible level. That's all I really care about. I will never pick up another can of Kodiak (or any other traditional USA brand) again.

I had not planned on choosing dip over snus - I would rather be snusing exclusively. But Swedish snus is hard to come by, I have to order it online. And at times when I don't have any snus, dip makes for a good substitute when I need the nicotine.

[Bigblue1]

I'd just like to point out that skoal and copenhagen are old world names. Dip is essentially snus. It came from the old world if you will. That being said I dipped copenhagen for over 15 years and after using snus for near three i have to say it seems that it is easier on the mouth and upper GI ie I no longer get heartburn like when I dipped. Couldn't tell you why that is but it seems to be the case. When I dipped I used far greater quantities so I suspect that has something to do with it as well. And swallowing your saliva is actually a good thing when it comes to the heartburn. But as far as my face falling off and cancer as I was so often told by people was sure to happen if I looked at a can. I think it is a negligible difference......

[precious007]

Swedish Match makes dip?

what's that?

[lxskllr]

Swedish Match makes dip?

what's that?

SM owns Pinkerton. So all of their brands. Imo, it's a mistake to assume they're better than the other brands without having data to back it up. SM writes the paychecks, but Pinkerton could very well be an autonomous company.

[Snusify]

It is no surprise that the Timberwolf and Redman brands have some of the lowest TSNA's compared to other American Dip.

[sgreger1]

I agree with Snupy man, just make sure you drink some green tea, eat foods high in antioxidant material, make sure your getting some omega 3 supplement of some type or eating enough fish, and your risk for cancer drops dramatically.

As for american dip being safe, all I know is that 2 years of dipping chewed my mouth/gums the **** up, it was painful. Snus has never done that for me. So science aside, just based on my subjective experience it seems like american dip is harsher on the teeth than snus, plus it stains more and has more sugar which is never good.

[GoVegan]

This is fairly easy to research. Just google chewing tobacco and cancer and you will see hundreds, if not thousands, of personal accounts of people who dipped and got cancer. Next, google snus and cancer. You will find some studies, 1/2 of which will be controversial, but not 1 personal account or picture of a person who got cancer from snus.