How They Make Wise/Northerer Snus.. It's pretty Cool...

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  • ABW
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    • May 2011
    • 793

    How They Make Wise/Northerer Snus.. It's pretty Cool...

    If anyone every wondered about the process used to make "Northerner" Snus I have included it below. There are different steps because they use their Nicotine Purification technique in different products like gum etc.. But the steps below are used for our beloved Northerner. (at least me and a many others)

    They basically are taking Super fresh green tobacco(naturally low in TSNA's) and freezing it right away. Then, they extract the nicotine from the plant. They then wash, clean, and dry the nicotine free tobacco(no TSNA's) Then they re- impregnate the tobacco with the purified nicotine and bam.. You have Purified Snus..pretty cool..

    I know that seems a lot to gain a little advantage but to them it makes perfect sense because they are using the nicotine for other uses as well.. The reintroduction of the purified Nicotine back into the purified tobacco is just a win-win for them.(and us in my opinion)

    From what I can see there is no reason they can't crank up the nicotine in the Snus. I did not list why i think that but its availible if you want..I also found it interesting that the clean tobacco retained some of it's other properties just not the nitrosimens(TSNA's) I wonder if the MOI's are retained? I hope so...

    Anyway.. I put a couple of the steps below...




    PURIFICATION OF NICOTINE FROM DEEP FROZEN TOBACCO LEAVES USING A CATION EXCHANGE RESIN.

    Stage 1 Harvesting and deep freezing Fresh tobacco leaves from tobacco plants (="green tobacco") are collected and deep frozen (-20 0 C) within less than 3 hours.

    Stage II Mixing and Percolation

    The deep frozen tobacco leaves and calcium carbonate (CaCO3, limestone) or calcium hydroxide (slaked lime) 10 % by weight are mixed in a Mixing machine

    (ribbon) of Machine Steel Water is added to bring the moisture of the mixture to 25 % humidity. The slightly humid raw tobacco mixture is packed into a Machine Steel percolator, i.e. a cylindrical extractor. Purified water is percolated through the mixture to get a nicotinized broth.

    Stage III Extraction

    This nicotinized broth, i.e. the nicotine containing aqueous mother-liquor is transferred to a moderate-strong acid cation exchange resin, i.e., Amberliteā„¢ IPR64 (Rohm and Haas/Ion Exchange Resins, Philadelphia, PA, USA or Indion 464 supplied by Ion Exchange (India) Ltd Tiecicon House, Dr. E. Moses Road,

    Mahalaxmi, Mumbai-400 Oi l, India) packed in tall columns of Machine Steel or Stainless Steel. The nicotine - nicotine cation exchange resin complex is washed with purified water to remove impurities.

    Stage IV Separation

    The nicotine is eluted from the cation exchange resin column by IM sulphuric acid. The Nicotine salt is precipitated and collected from the bottom of the vessel.

    Stage V Filtration and purification The Nicotine salt is filtrated and purified by passing it through a stainless steel super centrifuge (8000 rpm for at least 6 minutes) to remove traces of water.

    Stage VI Testing

    After the filtration and purification of Nicotine Alkaloid, it was then tested for nitrosamine content (TSNA, i. e. NNN, NNK, NAT, and NAB). The result is shown in the table below batch 001 T. The total content, when tested, was at least less than 0.1 ug/g dry tobacco.

    Thus, as indicated, the total level of nitrosamines in the tobacco can be selectively reduced.

    Stage VII Packing

    The purified nicotine is packed in epoxycoated drums under an inert gas such as nitrogen and stored in cool and dry place.



    REFINED TOBACCO CONTAINING PURIFIED NICOTINE

    Stage I Washings of the insoluble fraction After extraction of tobacco dust (stalks, top leaves, stem, scraps and dusts are tobacco wastes), fresh or deep frozen tobacco leaves according to the examples 1-4 above the insoluble fraction is refined by washing 5 times with pure water (acidic, alkaline and neutral) and finally with ethyl alcohol for 30 minutes each.

    Stage II Centrifugation and drying of insoluble fraction

    The insoluble fraction is centrifuged for at least 6 minutes at 8000 revolutions per minute to remove the major part of the water.

    Stage III Centrifugation and drying of insoluble fraction After centrifugation the refined fibers are dried by Fluidized Bed Drying until having less than 1% humidity.

    Stage IV Reconstitution of the tobacco by impregnation

    After centrifugation and Fluidized Bed Drying the refined fibers (the web), are impregnated with the high purity nicotine solution according to examples 1 -4 so that a purified finished tobacco is obtained that has nicotine content of 0.5-10% by weight.

    Stage V Testing of the tobacco

    After the purification and impregnation the tobacco was then tested for nitrosamine content (TSNA, i. e. NNN, NNK, NAT, and NAB). The total content, was at least less than 0.1 ug/g dry tobacco. Thus, as indicated, the total level of nitrosarnines in the tobacco can be selectively reduced without substantially reducing other levels of components in the tobacco, such as carbohydrates, starch and cellulose. See table 1.

    Stage VI Packing

    The tobacco product may be formulated into one or more preparations, such as sachets, pouches, stick-pack, buccal pads or patches or compressed into chewing tablets, lozenges, resoriblettes or tablets for sucking. The resulting product is the packed in air tight packages to prevent losses by oxidization and/or vaporization of the nicotine. During storage pending packaging in consumer packs the purified tobacco as well as the formulated products derived from it are packed in epoxycoated drums under an inert gas such as nitrogen and stored in cool and dry place.

    Tablel. Total content of some impurities in different batches of tobacco produced by the different method in the examples above as well as some natural sources. Tobacco 1-5 represent natural sources.


    a/ Tobacco purchased from different suppliers. b/ Results from farmed, harvested, treated and/or processed. c/ Results from farmed, harvested and treated.

    018 were tested prior to purification (A) and after purification.











    A SNUFF (SNUS) TOBACCO PRODUCT

    The tobacco from example 5 is prepared into portion snuff (snus) pouches (sachets) of woven or non- woven material. Snuff (snus) was manufactured in different strengths e.g. 1, 3, and 6 mg per pouches. The nicotine amounts of tobacco were different in the formulations and were varied due to assay of the tobacco batches. Typically tobacco was mixed with excipients as fillers (dextrin e.g. polydextrin, maltodextrin, natural fibres, cellulose, starches or other suitable fillers), sweeteners (Xylitol, sorbitol, maltitol, mannitol, saccharin, sodium saccharin, cyclamates, Acesulfan K), adjutants to increase floe properties (Avicel; Microcrystalline cellulose, talc) and natural and nature identical aromas and flavours. A typical formulation for 3 mg snus portion, Tobacco 10 to 24 %, Fibre 10 to 20 %, Polydextrose 5 to 15 %, Sodium Chloride 8 %, Sodium bicarbonate 7 %, polyvinyl pyrrolidon 3 %, Talc 2 %, Avicel 5 to 15 %, flavours quantum sati.

    The tobacco product, such as sachet, pouch, stick-pack, is packed in air tight packages to prevent losses by oxidization and/or vaporization of the nicotine.
  • Ansel
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    • Feb 2011
    • 3696

    #2
    Cool info though a bit over my head - where did you get this from? I'm really looking forward to if they can bring out a higher nicotine product.

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    • ABW
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      • May 2011
      • 793

      #3
      Me too.. I can't wait..

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      • pris

        #4
        Sounds a bit NRTish to me but that's just my opinion.

        A Swedish company took this one stage further and produced NRT pouches just with nicotine, no tobacco http://www.niconovum.se/Products.aspx

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        • Ansel
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          • Feb 2011
          • 3696

          #5
          Their product reminds me of this fast acting nicotine stuff: http://www.endsmoking.org.nz/fastnic.htm

          And these:

          http://www.niconovum.se/Products.asp...93720952767944

          http://zonnic.se/site_SE/#/portionsp...tpresentation/

          edit: oh you beat me to it Pris.

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          • ABW
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            • May 2011
            • 793

            #6
            That's exactly what their goal is.. You are correct but I do like the fact they are getting the idea that real tobacco needs to be in it.. In my opinion that's why the straight NRT'S fail.. There is something in the tobacco that we(I) need..

            But I give them props for trying to blend the two.. Now it just needs more nic with more of a tobacco side to it...

            Peace...

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            • snusjus
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              • Jun 2008
              • 2674

              #7
              Why won't Northerner/Wise make a traditional (50% moisture content) snus? If the flavor was decent and contained extremely low levels of TSNAs, I'm sure it would be a hit.

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              • lxskllr
                Member
                • Sep 2007
                • 13435

                #8
                Originally posted by snusjus View Post
                Why won't Northerner/Wise make a traditional (50% moisture content) snus? If the flavor was decent and contained extremely low levels of TSNAs, I'm sure it would be a hit.
                That might be an issue. It probably takes some impressive scientific instruments to even identify the contents as being tobacco. I suspect that a regular portion wouldn't taste so great, and moisturizing it would affect it's shelf life.

                I'm not much into the purified portions. The best use for them imo, is to stash them around different places in case you run out of real snus. That stuff will keep forever, so it's good for car stashes and stuff. I'm more into artisan snus, rather than scientific snus.

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                • Darwin
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                  • Mar 2010
                  • 1372

                  #9
                  I'm guessing that the high levels of chemical processing involved in all this separation and recombination removes a lot of the flavor essences of the tobacco used. And they use fresh green tobacco for it so expecting the resulting product to emulate the much more earthy cured tobacco snuses is probably much too optimistic. What I wonder is why they use the purified tobacco in the snus at all and don't just go with vegetable fiber. I've had Northerner Citrus Lime and although it was certainly palatable, and had an adequate kick, if there was any tobacco in there you could have fooled me. The lack of a decent tobacco flavor may well be why they don't make a more conventional snus from these heavily purified and processed ingredients.

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                  • Ansel
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                    • Feb 2011
                    • 3696

                    #10
                    Originally posted by lxskllr View Post
                    I'm more into artisan snus, rather than scientific snus.
                    Me too. Interesting they use fresh green tobacco. I guess then there's no worries about how it's cured. Wonder what the nitrosamine count is when chewing on fresh green tobacco.

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                    • lxskllr
                      Member
                      • Sep 2007
                      • 13435

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Darwin
                      What I wonder is why they use the purified tobacco in the snus at all and don't just go with vegetable fiber.
                      Efficiency I imagine. No point in buying vegetable fiber when they've already created some :^D

                      Also, it could run afoul of government regulations. Without tobacco, it's just a drug with all the testing pitfalls that entails.

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                      • ABW
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                        • May 2011
                        • 793

                        #12
                        Originally posted by lxskllr View Post
                        That might be an issue. It probably takes some impressive scientific instruments to even identify the contents as being tobacco. I suspect that a regular portion wouldn't taste so great, and moisturizing it would affect it's shelf life.

                        I'm not much into the purified portions. The best use for them imo, is to stash them around different places in case you run out of real snus. That stuff will keep forever, so it's good for car stashes and stuff. I'm more into artisan snus, rather than scientific snus.

                        I don't think they are going for Artisan snus and that's ok with me.. They are plenty out there for that category... I like science and I like the product but it does need to fit in a little better with more nic and tobacco....

                        I think it has it's place.. It's great on the teeth, breath, and gums. It's super clean, and it stores like no other.. It has a lot of things i think people like. In my option it is the perfect work snus. To make up for it's loss in tobacco flavor it has different stuff added like turine and other stuff.. I get it and I like it, but like all things it could be improved..

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                        • ABW
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                          • May 2011
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by lxskllr View Post
                          Efficiency I imagine. No point in buying vegetable fiber when they've already created some :^D

                          Also, it could run afoul of government regulations. Without tobacco, it's just a drug with all the testing pitfalls that entails.
                          Very true... But it needs the tobacco also.. That's why these other NRT's fail.. Even the little amount in it gives you that little something that is missing in the NRT's..

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                          • Ansel
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                            • Feb 2011
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                            #14
                            Forgive my ignorance but is anatabine something they would would to take out the tobacco or could it be desirable element to a snus say?

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                            • pris

                              #15
                              Aha, so that's what makes a tobacco nit hit better than a test tube one?....Hmmmm......But then again NRT tastes vile to me and I do enjoy the taste of tobacco....

                              Originally posted by Ansel View Post
                              Forgive my ignorance but is anatabine something they would would to take out the tobacco or could it be desirable element to a snus say?

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