Gum Disease/Recession (Just Back From The Dentist)

[desirexe]

I've read, here on snuson somewhere, that los is harsher on teeth. Maybe because of tiny pieces getting wedged down into gumline??? I challenge anyone here to floss, pick & brush your teeth as best as you can after a day of los use. Brush those teeth as if you were prepping for a dental exam. Afterwards, put a stopper in sink faucet and use a waterpik on the lowest setting for a few minutes, carefully getting all nooks between teeth. Check out the collected waste water in the sink...did you see any tiny black specks??? The moral here...waterpiks are great!

Pris - How are your parents teeth? I've also read some time ago that recession may be due to genetics. Maybe time to start "lower-decking" and not keeping portions in as long???

[Premium Parrots]

Wth you all so worried about? If all your teeth fall out then just buy some more. Hell, who needs teeth anyway.

[WickedKitchen]

It's quite possibly poppycock.

Level three isn't that bad (i've heard them say 4 on mine even once or twice). Flossing works wicked good. I started flossing frequently and problems trended better then pretty much dissolved. I got taken for a planing and scaling procedure which wasn't a picnic either. I have never used a waterpik but i'm interested.

One thing is though...there's a link between early death and bad teeth.

The true test I guess would be if you had never told him about the snus. If he could easily have deduced that you used tobacco from the symptoms even though you denied it then I'd raise a serious eyebrow. Even if it meant a biopsy or something 'cos he simply couldn't identify it, would that be bad? The answer to that question is all you really need to know anyhow.

I read dehydration up there too...water's good...Apparently it's good as a pick too. Huh.

[Bigblue1]

It's quite possibly poppycock.

Level three isn't that bad (i've heard them say 4 on mine even once or twice). Flossing works wicked good. I started flossing frequently and problems trended better then pretty much dissolved. I got taken for a planing and scaling procedure which wasn't a picnic either. I have never used a waterpik but i'm interested.

One thing is though...there's a link between early death and bad teeth.

The true test I guess would be if you had never told him about the snus. If he could easily have deduced that you used tobacco from the symptoms even though you denied it then I'd raise a serious eyebrow. Even if it meant a biopsy or something 'cos he simply couldn't identify it, would that be bad? The answer to that question is all you really need to know anyhow.

I read dehydration up there too...water's good...Apparently it's good as a pick too. Huh.

Haven't been to a dentist in 14 yrs, I supposedly had a cavity once and they filled a molar on each side with what looks like the tip of a pencil, bullshit if you ask me. I seem to have been blessed with good teeth, had a bunch of my lower front teeth punched out when I was 18, grabbed those suckers and put em back into place and even afterr 15 years of using copenhagen there still there, so I dunno know. Had a buddy whose teeth were rotting out of his head when we were in highschool, so the point is I think it's more genetics than aything. I brush like 1 a day and use some mouthwash, so go figure....... for total disclosure I have not been blessed with other organs, Had half a lung removed when I was 18, yeah still smoked till I found snus, but my teeth and eyes are great... go figure....

[Frosted]

So are we maybe saying any form of nicotine used orally (including gum) is bad for the gums? and if so having nicotine in your blood stream from a patch would that still cause problems or does the nicotine have to be in direct contact?

Pris. I know you're worried but if you read this study at all, it should put your mind at rest that it's not snus http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...11.01749.x/pdf . I put a lot of store in proper scientific studies because it's as close to the truth that you'll get.
Snus does not cause peridontitis. Gum disease? A lot of people are simply predisposed to it. We all get infections from time to time - it's life mate.


The decision on what you do is of course yours.

[EricHill78]

Oh tell that dentist what he is telling you is bollocks and find a new one!

[truthwolf1]

It's quite possibly poppycock.

One thing is though...there's a link between early death and bad teeth.

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Ohh CRAP! all my grandparents had dentures.. 91,90,89,81 I believe.
Guess I am not going to make it too much past that
I actually have had a few 5's and sixes with that poker tool.. but my gums are probably much healthier then they have ever been. They can get better once you start to take care of them. My gums use to bleed just brushing and I accepted that as normal but now only if I slip with the floss too hard will I ever see blood.

Smoking, drinking, sugar, carbs, lack of vitamins, dehydrated.. lack of flossing/brushing in college years all probably led to my recession..Not really worried about snus, but will say that my gums do feel sore sometimes with too tight of pris and maybe there is also something to having a foreign object sit on your gums rubbing up and down for extended times which could loosen and irritate the area.
Like having a rock in you shoe or similar

[precious007]

I can't imagine that snus causes it.

it's not only smoking that destroys the teeth because of low blood flow in the oral cavity

nicotine is responsible particularly for the bad flow of blood in the oral cavity, hence gum issues
can be expected after a long term use (that's what my dentist told me as well)

[Ansel]

a snus friendly dentist...

http://www.advanceddentistry.co.uk/t...ive-dentistry/

[snusgetter]

a snus friendly dentist...
http://www.advanceddentistry.co.uk/t...ive-dentistry/

From their blog:

The consequences of smoking on your teeth

Much has been documented about the damaging effects of smoking on your overall health, so much so, people are more aware today of the detriments of smoking than ever before. That said, the unexpected increase in new smokers and the sale of tobacco related products is shocking. There is enough information out there on the effects of smoking on your heart and respiratory system, but the literature and general public knowledge of how it damages your teeth are probably less well recognised.

The immune system is affected by heavy smoking, weakening the body’s capabilities of fighting off infection. This in turn impinges upon the health of teeth and gums. You are likely to suffer tooth loss if you smoke. This can be a gradual process or it can be sudden. Cigarettes initiate the development of gum disease, and in fact accelerate it. Gum diseases swell on the gum areas and lessen the strength of individual tooth formation.

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Sounds like sound info, Ansel, but the casual mention of 'tobacco related products' leaves a lot to the imagination.

[rkh3]

Been using snus for nearly two years and have moderate gum recession. Have had two periodontal surgeries and I know more are coming. I need to call and set up an appointment with the periodontist but I have been putting it off. The procedure isn't that bad but I hate novacaine syringes! Having recession, as many have said, isn't necessarily caused by tobacco use, it more than likely is genetic. My mother lost her teeth at 25, ok, she smoked, but my sister has had 4 periodontal surgeries for recession and is likely up for more and never used tobacco. I am convinced my issues are genetic. These days having recession does not mean you'll lose your teeth, gum surgery works great.
Did your dentist know you use snus before he scared the hell out of you?

[Ansel]

Another tip Pris, you can use portions (but not los really) like you would Oliver Twist - that is you can place it in the top of your cheek inbetween your cheek and your gums. I can't see that receding your gums quite in the same way if at all.

[rkh3]

Never heard of Oliver Twist, just read about it. I don't see how this would be any different than snus, you are putting tobacco in the same place.
Am I missing something?

[lxskllr]

One thing I'd be leery of with the Oliver Twist is sugar. They're sweet, and if it's real sugar, it could rot your teeth. Even artificial sugar can. I recently read that the alcohol based artificial sweeteners(*ols) turn to acid in your mouth, and can eat through tooth enamel.

[Ansel]

Never heard of Oliver Twist, just read about it. I don't see how this would be any different than snus, you are putting tobacco in the same place.
Am I missing something?

Well like Lx says i guess they are bad for your tooth enamel but if gum recession is your worry i'd say they'd be a good bet as they are supposed to go inbetween your cheek and your gum, rather than your upper lip. But they do work out expensive as you have to put 2 at a time in or even 3 depending on your tolerance to nicotine. I believe they are air-cured but not pasteurised, as far as i know.