I'm in need of funds for Laboratory Tests

[EricHill78]

I was thinking more along the lines of lithia water or natural (non-intoxicating) herbs.





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithia_water





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithia_Park

Is this lithia water easy to find in stores?

[precious007]

I was wondering this. Quitting nicotine could cause anxiety/depression and once through the other side could possibly uncover an anxiety condition that you may have been self-medicating to a degree with nicotine. Possibly a short course of Diazepam may help. If it does that would suggest anxiety is the cause of your symptoms.

Pris hey man,

It's just not as simple as that. If a diazepam calms me down that doesn't mean it's all anxiety believe me. 100% of the Lyme patients have anxiety, if they DO take a xanax or any other anxiolitic and they calm down that doesn't mean they don't have Lyme don't get me wrong.

Anxiety can have many underlying causes and mostly can be generated by long term chronic illneses and pain.

My brother has mild anxiety and he has Chron's disease.

@headers let me tell you again, maybe you don;t understand ~ Anxiety doesn't destroy and joints in the body and doesn't come with certain other symptoms that I have on daily basis.

We can discuss for hours and still not understand that I'm psychically not in a good shape for years now, yesterday in 3 hours car drive I had terrible headache, vertigo, nausea, muscle pain, back pain.... come on this is just not anxiety and if you had anxiety know it for sure.

A tick can infect you and develop the illness 20 years later. You never know if you have Lyme issues until you take the proper examination. Believe me if you have all the symptoms described here http://www.canlyme.com/patsymptoms.html, then you are prone to have Lyme disease. And I do have or at LEAST had the most of those symptoms on and off. The symptoms vary in Lyme, meaning you can get some symptoms today and the next day you get others, then go off symptoms for a while and all return back in full force 3 months later if you know what I mean.

I have been reading like hours on Lyme stories and I'm not talking straight of my head, these people have had the same story. Everyone was telling them that it's all in their head and they were treated for other diseases (completely different) such as anxiety, sinusitis, arthritis, spondilosis, depression (which I all have) but I started to wonder if these conditions are not cause all by Lyme - because lyme causes arthritis, spondilosis, depression and anxiety.

Take you time to get a better picture on this subject and see through how much agony people have gone through some of them for 35+ years and been swallowing anxiety pills and anti-inflamatories.. it's not even close to funny.

Most people that have Lyme are misdiagnosed with multiple-sclerosis which is again terrible because the anti-inflamatory medication only further affects the borrelia type viruses.

Headers I really appreciate your recommandations and information you have me on this thread, I know you know your stuff about anxiety but I am well aware and know loads about anxiety and for some particular reason I am almost convinced this is not anxiety what I am going through and I have no choice but taking another route.

Also in Lyme apart from the physical symptoms, Lyme ****s up your brain which sadly I'm going through:
Watch this movie, and see how Lyme disease destroys the mind: (I"m going through this on daily basis)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYMDz6z58Dk

Maybe you will reconsider you opinion and anyway in the end not me, not you, not anyone on earth would be able to say if it's Lyme disease or NOT unless the tests are done, because we can both agree on this Anxiety and Lyme do both have a very high similarity in symptoms.

Headers, I really hope it is only anxiety but there are just so many symptoms that make me believe there is something really wrong with me. Please watch that movie above to understand the psychological side of Lyme disease.

@Frosted

Due to my symptoms I can hardly think of getting a job unfortunately. At least not now.

What do you mean by a more 'chilled' job though? Like an easy one you mean?

I've been working 12 hours on the computer every day and found out that the computer work particularly makes my symptoms worse and had to give up in april/may this year.

@Govegan

I don't smoke for a couple of months now, but I do use use, one or two prillas a day of Oden's Kane which I'm trying to give up as well.

Thanks for listening everyone.

Alex

[Frosted]

ah right - I should have read the posts properly. You HAVE been bitten by two ticks. Definately get a test done then.

[EricHill78]

Whatever it is that is wrong precious I hope you get the help you need.

I remember you told me once your brother had Chron's disease like me. I've been off all medications because I can't afford insurance and meds. I havent had a flare up in months. One thing I believe has been helping is Turmeric. I take a spoonfull of turmeric every night with water. It's a natural anti inflammatory and so far it seems be doing the trick. Is your brother on any medications for the chrons?

[Frosted]

I've got a mate with crohns - he grew another arsehole as a result. He's on permanent steroids etc and he's very well now.

[EricHill78]

I've got a mate with crohns - he grew another arsehole as a result. He's on permanent steroids etc and he's very well now

It's a bitch ha, but I'm dealing. Quit drinking cause of it which I haven't felt better in ages. He better be carefully with those steroids, long term use can cause a bunch of other problems all together.

[precious007]

@eric

I understand what you're going through since I see my brother going through Chron's for 8+ years now.

He's been going through flare up on and off along the years and two major surgeries (2003/2008)

He momentarily doesn't take any medication but he has been on imuran and prednisone this summer and felt really bad while taking them. He also used budenofalk and salofalk and some other steroids and also stopped taking them so he is trying to manage the illness on his own at the moment.

[EricHill78]

Precious have him do research on turmeric. It tastes awfully but it seems to help. They sell it as a spice. It's really popular in India.

[Dirty Hippy]

Heders, I completely agree with you on this.

Precious, over the course of my life time I have had literally hundreds of ticks on me and been bit, I'm an extreme hunter and fisher who ventures deep into the woods on a weekly basis. One day just this summer I had six different ticks on me, and I have never tested positive for Lyme disease. It is possible that you have Lyme disease, I think that option should be investigated thoroughly.

However, you should know that not all ticks carry lyme disease, only a specific few actually do, in great number and that is the deer tick. When you were bit as a child did you experience a rash? Flu like symptoms after you were bit within a couple of weeks? How long was the tick on you? (minutes? Days?) In what manner did your relative removed the tick? I think the possibility of infection almost a decade after being bit to be super slim. A lyme infected tick has to be physically attached to you for almost 48 hours before bacterial infection could actually occur.

I'm not trying to be an asshole, please do not take it that way, but I bet you are experiencing multiple facets of anxiety, anxiety can wreak havoc on a person, including many of the symptoms you are speaking of. Severe nervousness, nauseous to the point you throw up, tense muscles, extreme vertigo, muscle pain, racing heart, being foggy headed. If I had to guess, I'm not a doctor, but I bet, you have severe anxiety and hypochondria, which are all symptoms of obsessive compulsive disorder. Or a possibly undiagnosed mental disorder.

I could be extremely wrong and I believe that you should get the money to fund a test, never totally trust a doctors opinion, but always keep yours open. Please let us know what you discover in the future in order to help out others who may be experiencing the same symptoms as you!

[precious007]

I will get the investigations as soon as possible.

The tick bit me when I was about 9 or 10 I cannot remember exactly, and stayed in my skin for about one day if I remember correctly and it was pulled out by my aunt using her nails and nothing else. I do remember having a fever for an entire week after the bite but no other symptoms until I was 19.

From what I know it doesn't take 48 hours to get infected. It's like saying you have to have sex 24 hours with a HIV infected person to actually get infected. Nope, LLMd's say that you can get infected even within minutes.

The only way to come up with a conclusion is a full virus table tests and nothing else. I will every know how this goes. Momentarily I will see a doctor in about 10 days or so, and probably will be send for the tests after.

Heders, I completely agree with you on this.

Precious, over the course of my life time I have had literally hundreds of ticks on me and been bit, I'm an extreme hunter and fisher who ventures deep into the woods on a weekly basis. One day just this summer I had six different ticks on me, and I have never tested positive for Lyme disease. It is possible that you have Lyme disease, I think that option should be investigated thoroughly.

However, you should know that not all ticks carry lyme disease, only a specific few actually do, in great number and that is the deer tick. When you were bit as a child did you experience a rash? Flu like symptoms after you were bit within a couple of weeks? How long was the tick on you? (minutes? Days?) In what manner did your relative removed the tick? I think the possibility of infection almost a decade after being bit to be super slim. A lyme infected tick has to be physically attached to you for almost 48 hours before bacterial infection could actually occur.

I'm not trying to be an asshole, please do not take it that way, but I bet you are experiencing multiple facets of anxiety, anxiety can wreak havoc on a person, including many of the symptoms you are speaking of. Severe nervousness, nauseous to the point you throw up, tense muscles, extreme vertigo, muscle pain, racing heart, being foggy headed. If I had to guess, I'm not a doctor, but I bet, you have severe anxiety and hypochondria, which are all symptoms of obsessive compulsive disorder. Or a possibly undiagnosed mental disorder.

I could be extremely wrong and I believe that you should get the money to fund a test, never totally trust a doctors opinion, but always keep yours open. Please let us know what you discover in the future in order to help out others who may be experiencing the same symptoms as you!

[precious007]

Precious have him do research on turmeric. It tastes awfully but it seems to help. They sell it as a spice. It's really popular in India.

Thanks a bunch Eric I will tell him about turmeric.

Hope you're feeling better too.

[whalen]

I live in an area where Lyme is endemic. They no longer test for Lyme as a result of a tick bite, the protocol here is to assume Lyme and begin antibiotics. I have been through this half a dozen times, and so has my wife. I have lots of friends that have long term problems with Lyme, and it is debilitating. The point, not being familiar with the strain in Romania, is that what is done is done, there is no cure, just maintenance. The anxiety and stress you are suffering is also debilitating. There is no cure on the internet, seek local counseling, soon, is my advice.

Good luck and try to chill.

[heders]

I'm still extremely sure that it's not lyme disease. I live in an area which is surrounded by forests, long grass etc. I have never heard of one case of that disease here, and people get bitten by ticks all the time. I've even got a friend who got one between his legs, lol. Of course it's good to check it out, but $10,000 dollars for some tests is insane.

I am no doctor, but what I know is that everything you describe comes from anxiety, which you say you have. It's extremely common to look up diseases and assume you have them because they seem to extreme to be just anxiety. But 99% of the times it's anxiety, because the sensations can be very extreme. I have experienced every sensation in the book, and also thought I was ill or had some kind of disease, but now I know what it was. Anxiety is completely normal and harmless but frightening.

I know that it is very difficult to be objective when you're suffering these symptoms, but I am being as objective as I can, and know what you're going through, and the possibility that you would have developed lyme disease is for me extremely remote.

[precious007]

Of course it's good to check it out, but $10,000 dollars for some tests is insane.

I've asked for $1,000 not 10,000 for the tests.

Anyway for some particular reason I think that I should have not even started this thread because I knew exactly the opinions I'd get, but thanks anyways for the help. I had the thread started on another forum and I just got some much hate from it that I can barely understand. People are obviously quite paranoid that I might be looking to rip them off, don't get me wrong I am just as scarred as someone anyone would be that has my symptoms on daily basis. I only want to see as soon as possible what is going on with me, and unless I get some support I wouldn't be able to take the tests because I can barely function for the last 2 weeks hence cannot work to raise the money.

I guess the only option I have left is to see an PhD. to at least put me on some meds to manage to work further and see what's to be done from that point.


Alex

[GoVegan]

I've asked for $1,000 not 10,000 for the tests.

Anyway for some particular reason I think that I should have not even started this thread because I knew exactly the opinions I'd get, but thanks anyways for the help. I had the thread started on another forum and I just got some much hate from it that I can barely understand. People are obviously quite paranoid that I might be looking to rip them off, don't get me wrong I am just as scarred as someone anyone would be that has my symptoms on daily basis. I only want to see as soon as possible what is going on with me, and unless I get some support I wouldn't be able to take the tests because I can barely function for the last 2 weeks hence cannot work to raise the money.

I guess the only option I have left is to see an PhD. to at least put me on some meds to manage to work further and see what's to be done from that point.


Alex

In all fairness, I think you were given some excellent advice especially by Heders. The medical system, at least here in the USA, is a big joke. My father in law doesn't have insurance and ended up owing $19,000 for one night in the ER for chest pains. I have been dealing with high blood pressure issues since I was a kid. I finally started taking medication and am up to 4 pills a day. After multiple pills and doctor visits, I have a modest and I do mean modest decrease in my blood pressure but it is still high by normal standards. My guess is I would be spending a small fortune on these pills if I didn't have medical insurance available to me. I know another family member who was recently diagnosed with asthma, she is in her 30's and must now spend $300.00 a month for an inhaler prescription. Fact is, most all of us have something wrong with is. If doctors can't find a reason for your ills, they will just say you have fibromyalgia and give you more pills and doctor visits. I saw that happen to a co worker. With Lyme disease, it appears that they give you antibiotics which may or may not work. The plain truth is all of that stuff works with limited success and it is very expensive. Your best bet is to try meditation, exercise and diet. That will help you regardless of whatever you might have and can all be done on the cheap unlike seeing a doctor or PHd. There is nothing wrong with you at least making contact with Heders and trying his approach.

Let me say this, not even a month ago I was feeling like crap. I am at least 80lbs overweight and was feeling tired and achy all the time. My excuse for my crappy diet was that I commute and am away from home at least 12 hours a day if not more. Fast food became a way of life. I justified it by saying it was cheap and easy to do. My wife pointed out to me that I can stop at any grocery store and buy a can of soup or veggie chili with some fruit for less than $3.00. I thought about that for a while and thought to myself "why not"? Now, I do it all the time. I eat healthy and save money by skipping Taco Bell and going to the grocery store or fruit stand. I also started walking at every break I get during work regardless of the weather or how busy I am. Not much, just for 15 minutes or so but I feel much better and more productive when I return to my desk. In fact, one week I took an hours vacation time from my employer and spread it out over several days so I could get in an extra walk during the day. He loved the idea and signed my vacation request for 1 hour without any hassle.

You know what? It has only been a month but I feel 3 times better now. I eat healthy and still save money. I take walks at every opportunity. I have much more energy now and feel a lot better about myself. It had nothing to do with pills or doctors visits. Just me. I honestly hope that you are able to get your tests. They might help or they might lead to an endless path of even more pills and more doctors. In the meantime, at least make contact with Heders and try meditation, exercise and diet. Think lots of fruits and veggies. Leave out anything with saturated fat as it will slow you down regardless of the amount. You have nothing to lose.

Anyway, I am glad you started that thread and even more honored that you asked us for help. I don't think this thread is a waste of time. By the looks of the posts in here, I would say that a lot of the forum members do care about you and are trying to help. Sorry for the rant and long post, I just needed to put in my 2 cents.