Issues with dry throat, need some advice

[bakerbarber]

Don't spit.

[mattarios]

Why do you say that?

I've tried spitting, as well as not spitting, same outcome.

[EricHill78]

I've tried spitting, as well as not spitting, same outcome.

That's what she said!

[mattarios]

Tried gotlandssnus christmas snus last night, kept it in only for like 30 min just in case I got bothered again (figured a shorter duration may make the side effects shorter) and thankfully, I had no problems. It tasted great, good cut, easy to bake, and woke up this morning, no dry throat or irritation what so ever.

So far, loose with no smoke flavoring = good!

Pouches with smoke flavor = the worst

[mattarios]

UPDATE:

First off happy holidays and Merry Christmas to you all!

1.)Tried the gotlandssnus julesnus today and boom, made my throat dry. I think it just was taking a few pris's before my throat got dried out again which means the first lip or two didn't give me an issue but now that I have been doing it a couple days in a row my throat is drying back out.

I think we can safely say it is the propylene glycol.

So my next question is what could I potentially add to the snus to reverse the effect of the humectant propylene glycol? I read online silicones and some other things do the inverse of propylene glycol/humectants in general but which ones would work best and what is food safe?

[lxskllr]

I think you might be SOL. Trying to counteract the pg seems like a losing game. If Gellivare ever comes back, you could try that. I don't think they use pg. Otherwise, you could try making your own.

[mattarios]

That's the worst news I've heard in a while, could be worse I guess, I just love oral tobacco, not being able to use it is a real downer for me. I won't use dip for its health issues etc.

I just figured if I could add something to it that would not only help do the inverse of the PG but it would also dilute the levels of PG in the entire 40/45/50g can.

There isn't any companies AT ALL that don't use PG? That sucks, you'd think there would be at least a few kinds that use a different formula/recipe

[EricHill78]

I agree with lxs.. seems like snus may be too problematic for you. I would suggest nasal snuff but considering it takes practice and will hit the back of yer throat in the beginning, it probably wouldn't work either.

[mattarios]

Also, wouldn't you say different companies may use different types of PG? Maybe there is a brand out there that uses a PG that won't bother me? I don't know, just trying to brainstorm. My last chance is using something straight up like thunder original and see the outcome, The flavor I have been using the past couple days as you know is the gotlandssnus julesnus, maybe some flavoring in it is bothering me (doubt it) ... wishful thinking.

[mattarios]

If a few other brands fail me I may save my stash, keep it frozen, and try it in the summer time when it is humid where I live. Right now it is super super dry in Massachusetts, my humidity gauge reads between 30-35% most days.

Do you think keeping the snus cold/frozen plays any role potentially? I keep unopened in the freezer, and open in the fridge. When I want a pinch i just grab a pinch out of the can and throw it back in the fridge. This is all just wishful thinking guys so no making fun :-p

[lxskllr]

Pg is pg. Brand isn't a factor, but quantity would be. Los has more than portions, and brands may have varying quantities. I don't think storage is a factor one way or the other.

[mattarios]

I found that PG has a half life, after roughly 4 hours exposed to the air the amount of PG is greatly reduced to about 4-5% of the total original amount and after 24 hours it is reduced to roughly 1%. If I can manage to keep the flavor and am able to pinch the tobacco or use an ice tool, I think I may have found a solution!

This is not a hassle for me as I only use snus once a day and it is in the evening. Before i head out for the day just pop a pris or a few pouches in an empty can, let it sit out til I get home in the evening, and enjoy! Of course that is if what I found online and am testing actually works. Fingers crossed!

I will keep you guys posted!

[mattarios]

I let the gotlandssnus sit out (acclimate) from 6:15pm to 1:00Am, which would be 6 hours and 45 min, popped it in, and it has been in for about 25 min now, no dry throat at all, cross your fingers!

[mattarios]

Well needless to say the dry throat lingers here and there still so the acclimation definitely helped weaken the issue, but the issue is still present.

I got in touch with some guys over at sweedish match and they are saying it is definitely from the PH levels of the snus, not the propylene glycol. They said in their experiences it is almost always the PH level some people have issues with.

Any suggestions on lower PH level snus's? I love a solid buzz so if there is high nicotine with low/lower PH levels, (which seems counterproductive that) would be my ideal choice.

I have a bunch of different brands I have never tried still so I may have some of the stuff on hand. Also does anyone have an idea of what the PH level is of grovsnus svart? That one was by far the worst case of dry throat I ever got.

Thanks for all the help guys, it is appreciated greatly.

[mattarios]

Correction, it was the guys from gotlandssnus, not sweedish match.