snus and fitness

[sgreger1]

*started working out a little over a month ago
*I have dropped about 20lbs

I don't think losing 20lbs in ~1 month is healthy ಠ_ಠ

Isn't it like 2 lbs a week max for healthy weight loss?

[sgreger1]

Weight loss is calories in < calories out. It is that simple, no 5 times a day, carbs at the hour of venus, and q666yzp juice and jumping jack regimen will change the basic science, they just change your net worth...

Ken

You are absolutely correct in that one "must burn more calories than you are taking in". Which is why exercise is the main part of the program, since exercise is better than just dieting anyways (It's better to burn the calories than to starve the body of calories).

The point is that you tend to eat less when you have maybe 4 or 5 smaller meals throughout the day, as opposed to loading all of your calories into 2 giant meals like I was doing previously. That way you aren't hungry but can still eat smaller portions, of course it only works if the total number of calories are smaller than what you were eating previously. The carbs in the morning thing is because carbs are absolutely essential sources of energy, but you want to burn off most of it by the end of the day and by your last workout period so that you are tired and get a restfull sleep which is also important.

It's not really a diet so much as common sense. I have began eating less carbs because my doctor told me I had to do that in order to reduce my glucose level which is currently showing as pre-diabetic. I only drink water and never eat candy, so the only source of sugars is carbs and the occasional beer (both of which are metabolized as sugars). So the carb thing is less about weight loss nad more about lowering my glucose level, though it also leads to weight loss.

[devilock76]

I don't think losing 20lbs in ~1 month is healthy ಠ_ಠ

Isn't it like 2 lbs a week max for healthy weight loss?

I think it is 1lb a week figuring 1lb represents a 3500 calorie deficit. However like BMI it is completely an arbitrary figure based on the LCD of the average body type. In practice every person is different.

Ken

[devilock76]

You are absolutely correct in that one "must burn more calories than you are taking in". Which is why exercise is the main part of the program, since exercise is better than just dieting anyways (It's better to burn the calories than to starve the body of calories).

The point is that you tend to eat less when you have maybe 4 or 5 smaller meals throughout the day, as opposed to loading all of your calories into 2 giant meals like I was doing previously. That way you aren't hungry but cans till eat smaller portions, of course it only works if the total number of calories are smaller than what you were eating previously. The carbs in the morning thing is because carbs are absolutely essential sources of energy, but you want to burn off most of it by the end of the day and by your last workout period so that you are tired and get a restfull sleep which is also important.

It's not really a diet so much as common sense. I have began eating less carbs because ym doctor told me I had to do that in order to reduce my glucose level which is currently showing as pre-diabetic. I only drink water and never eat candy, so the only source of sugars is carbs and the occasional beer (both of which are metabolized as sugars). So the carb thing is less about weight loss nad more about lowering my glucose level, though it alos leads to weight loss.

Have you actually compared the calories of what you eat between those meals. I found I ate even less calories when I fasted during the day and had something light later to break the fast. The key is self control, keep making the more but smaller meals and you will eventually add it back up to the same calories. Drink more water if you are feeling hungry, it is no calories and you are probably thirsty not hungry.

Incidentally exercise gets you in shape, as in improves your performance. Cutting calories is more efficient though to lose weight over all, both together work well but think of it this way. cut 100 calories a meal. That is like a small cookie, or a smaller portion of meat or whatever, use a smaller plate (not multiple meals, just smaller) 3 squares a day at 100 calories less than normal is 2100 calories. Almost that lb a week. Takes no time, just a modicum of restraint and hardly a defecit most would notice. Compare that to how long it takes to burn 2100 calories for any activity.

Just saying, pure efficiency, dieting is a bigger portion of the equation. Both together obviously do more and exercise will improve your physical performance more than dieting.

Ken

[Mr. Snuffleupagus]

I'm not trying to lose weight or be vegan. Just trying to eat simpler real foods. I don't eat processed foods anymore. No weird ingredients. No GMO food. No animals fed GMO or anti-biotics.

Edit; What is this "juicing" thing you all are talking about? The issue Ihave with crash diets, or switching to veganism, is that it's not really sustainable imo. Do you plan to never eat a normal meal again? I just odn't see that working for me. But what exactly is juicing?

I run organic vegetables and fruits through a juicer in the morning and drink it. Kale, spinach, bok choy, dandelions, chard, cabbage, carrots, ginger, garlic, collard greens, beets, radish, apple, celery. Anything with carrot and apple tastes pretty damn good. I add spirulina, cayanne, tumeric, and bee pollen to it. Easiest way for you body to get vitamins and minerals. The juicing breaks the cell walls of the food so you don't have to digest it. Shit goes straight to your blood.

I eat real meals 3 times a day. The juicing is just extra for me. Has made very positive effects for my energy levels and overall feeling.

[devilock76]

I'm not trying to lose weight or be vegan. Just trying to eat simpler real foods. I don't eat processed foods anymore. No weird ingredients. No GMO food. No animals fed GMO or anti-biotics.


I run organic vegetables and fruits through a juicer in the morning and drink it. Kale, spinach, bok choy, dandelions, chard, cabbage, carrots, ginger, garlic, collard greens, beets, radish, apple, celery. Anything with carrot and apple tastes pretty damn good. I add spirulina, cayanne, tumeric, and bee pollen to it. Easiest way for you body to get vitamins and minerals. The juicing breaks the cell walls of the food so you don't have to digest it. Shit goes straight to your blood.

I eat real meals 3 times a day. The juicing is just extra for me. Has made very positive effects for my energy levels and overall feeling.

It breaks the cell walls huh, I know one juicer advertized that but it sounds hokum to me. Cells - microscopic components of organiic life. I doubt any juicer or for that matter any kitchen appliance is going to atomize your food. I mean that is essentially what we are talking about. Nor would it be that healthy because many of the nutrients we are talking about are made of complicated cellular structures themselves and therefore you do not want that.

But breaking the cell wall sure sounds great in marketing pamphlets...

Ken

[Mr. Snuffleupagus]

It breaks the cell walls huh, I know one juicer advertized that but it sounds hokum to me. Cells - microscopic components of organiic life. I doubt any juicer or for that matter any kitchen appliance is going to atomize your food. I mean that is essentially what we are talking about. Nor would it be that healthy because many of the nutrients we are talking about are made of complicated cellular structures themselves and therefore you do not want that.

But breaking the cell wall sure sounds great in marketing pamphlets...

Ken

Ok breaking cell wall maybe not. Not sure. The benefits of juicing though I do believe in. There is no way I would be able to eat all those vegies and digest all that fiber.

[devilock76]

Ok breaking cell wall maybe not. Not sure. The benefits of juicing though I do believe in. There is no way I would be able to eat all those vegies and digest all that fiber.

That is the big thing juice does, allows you to get a higher concentration of the vitamins without as much of the fiber. However that dietary fiber is good for you also. Either way better than a bag of chips, dr pepper, and a candy bar. In the choice of making juice at home vs the whole fruit. The whole fruit can be more filling, and probably go farther per dollar. Individual needs could vary. On the matter of store bought juice vs the actual fruit, the sugar and preservatives added to store bought juice in most cases makes the whole fruit a better choice.

Ken

[sgreger1]

Have you actually compared the calories of what you eat between those meals. I found I ate even less calories when I fasted during the day and had something light later to break the fast. The key is self control, keep making the more but smaller meals and you will eventually add it back up to the same calories. Drink more water if you are feeling hungry, it is no calories and you are probably thirsty not hungry.

Incidentally exercise gets you in shape, as in improves your performance. Cutting calories is more efficient though to lose weight over all, both together work well but think of it this way. cut 100 calories a meal. That is like a small cookie, or a smaller portion of meat or whatever, use a smaller plate (not multiple meals, just smaller) 3 squares a day at 100 calories less than normal is 2100 calories. Almost that lb a week. Takes no time, just a modicum of restraint and hardly a defecit most would notice. Compare that to how long it takes to burn 2100 calories for any activity.

Just saying, pure efficiency, dieting is a bigger portion of the equation. Both together obviously do more and exercise will improve your physical performance more than dieting.

Ken

Yah I thought I made it pretty clear; I am eating smaller meals which add up to less calories in aggregate than what I was doing before which consisted of eating 2 large meals that were fried and high in carbs, fat etc. I am eating more salads/vegetables, and eating smaller portions more frequently, but obviously count the calories so as to make sure the total amount of calories I intake is less than it was previously. Just eating a bunch of smaller meals isn't going to make you lose weight unless you are taking in less calories obviously.


As for exercise, I understand restricting calories works, but you can't measure exercise strictly by how many calories something burns. Sure you would only burn 100 calories if you went for a jog, but growing lean muscle mass and exercising in general helps your metabolism and will burn more calories in the long run, seperate from just the calories burnt during the exercise. If you run 3 miles a day, you aren't burning a huge portion of calories during the actual run, yet you will lose weight over time, because you are generally becoming more healthy and muscles require more calories to maintain so it will eat up that fat to turn it into muscle. Neither diet or exercise alone are the magic bullet, they must be done in tandem.

[Mr. Snuffleupagus]

That is the big thing juice does, allows you to get a higher concentration of the vitamins without as much of the fiber. However that dietary fiber is good for you also. Either way better than a bag of chips, dr pepper, and a candy bar. In the choice of making juice at home vs the whole fruit. The whole fruit can be more filling, and probably go farther per dollar. Individual needs could vary. On the matter of store bought juice vs the actual fruit, the sugar and preservatives added to store bought juice in most cases makes the whole fruit a better choice.

Ken

Yeah I'm not good at eating fruits and vegies. More of a meat and cheese type. So the juice has been working well for me. I want to get a masticating juicer though. My $40 juicer is not efficient but my compost pile is happy.

[sgreger1]

Kale
spinach
bok choy
dandelions
chard
cabbage
carrots
ginger
garlic
collard greens
beets
radish
apple

..Then I add

spirulina
cayanne
tumeric
and bee pollen

Holy SH!T, how much does it cost you to make a shake with all of those ingredients every morning? Also, does danilion and bee polen actually do aynthing? I am actually about to start doing this too but with my blender, it's the only way I can take vegetables is to drink them

Is there a difference between a blender and a juicer? Doesn't the juicer discard the plant meter and just give you the juice, is that really more healthy?

[devilock76]

Yeah I'm not good at eating fruits and vegies. More of a meat and cheese type. So the juice has been working well for me. I want to get a masticating juicer though. My $40 juicer is not efficient but my compost pile is happy.

I have a masticating juicer, it is called my mouth. HEHEHEHEHE

Ken

[devilock76]

Yah I thought I made it pretty clear; I am eating smaller meals which add up to less calories in aggregate than what I was doing before which consisted of eating 2 large meals that were fried and high in carbs, fat etc. I am eating more salads/vegetables, and eating smaller portions more frequently, but obviously count the calories so as to make sure the total amount of calories I intake is less than it was previously. Just eating a bunch of smaller meals isn't going to make you lose weight unless you are taking in less calories obviously.


As for exercise, I understand restricting calories works, but you can't measure exercise strictly by how many calories something burns. Sure you would only burn 100 calories if you went for a jog, but growing lean muscle mass and exercising in general helps your metabolism and will burn more calories in the long run, seperate from just the calories burnt during the exercise. If you run 3 miles a day, you aren't burning a huge portion of calories during the actual run, yet you will lose weight over time, because you are generally becoming more healthy and muscles require more calories to maintain so it will eat up that fat to turn it into muscle. Neither diet or exercise alone are the magic bullet, they must be done in tandem.

Jogging will not build muscle mass. I am not going to use the "lean" muscle mass buzzword which is nothing more than trying to market a product again. There is no difference between any lean and non lean muscle mass, it is just muscle. Jogging is low impact high repetition exercise. It will improve cardio, and in that regard muscle endurance, but not muscle strength. On the flip side there is a very high probability that in jogging you will encounter one if not many repetitive use injuries, from shin splints, to plantar facscitis, to sprains, etc. Oh and I was a competitive distance runner, that is my background on that. As a competitive runner, you spend a lot of time in the weight room too.

Ken

[Mr. Snuffleupagus]

Holy SH!T, how much does it cost you to make a shake with all of those ingredients every morning? Also, does danilion and bee polen actually do aynthing? I am actually about to start doing this too but with my blender, it's the only way I can take vegetables is to drink them

Is there a difference between a blender and a juicer? Doesn't the juicer discard the plant meter and just give you the juice, is that really more healthy?

Yeah the juicer separates the juice out. Nothing wrong with blending or just eating IMO. Important thing is getting those veggies into your stomache. And yeah it's expensive. I only use organics $$$. But health is a good investment and worth it to me.

Edit: I don't use ALL those ingredients every day. 2-3 differnt leafy greens plus the apple, carrot, ginger, garlic, etc.

[devilock76]

Holy SH!T, how much does it cost you to make a shake with all of those ingredients every morning? Also, does danilion and bee polen actually do aynthing? I am actually about to start doing this too but with my blender, it's the only way I can take vegetables is to drink them

Is there a difference between a blender and a juicer? Doesn't the juicer discard the plant meter and just give you the juice, is that really more healthy?

Pretty much, a blender just whips the **** out of it with a blade and you still actually eat everything in it. A juicer more or less mashes and grinds it, but also separates the juice from a good deal of the solid material.

The best sports/health/diet drink is water. Without exception, period, it is a fact. Special medical needs obviously might have exceptions to that, but again those are special cases.

Ken