snus and fitness

[devilock76]

Yeah the juicer separates the juice out. Nothing wrong with blending or just eating IMO. Important thing is getting those veggies into your stomache. And yeah it's expensive. I only use organics $$$. But health is a good investment and worth it to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhBKtjDtTVk

Ken

[sgreger1]

Jogging will not build muscle mass. I am not going to use the "lean" muscle mass buzzword which is nothing more than trying to market a product again. There is no difference between any lean and non lean muscle mass, it is just muscle. Jogging is low impact high repetition exercise. It will improve cardio, and in that regard muscle endurance, but not muscle strength. On the flip side there is a very high probability that in jogging you will encounter one if not many repetitive use injuries, from shin splints, to plantar facscitis, to sprains, etc. Oh and I was a competitive distance runner, that is my background on that. As a competitive runner, you spend a lot of time in the weight room too.

Ken

Lol, you are going to nitpick on every little detail aren't you devilock. Joggin was just an example, you do build muscle while running but obviously just a bit in your calf/thigh etc. Obviously jogging isn't going to build huge muscles, but it was a metaphor for any kind of exercise. For example if you did a full 40 minute crossfit routine, it is going to burn only a few calories, but doing that 3-4 times a week is going to lead to your body burning more calories in general than just cutting 100 calories off your meal.

And yah shin splints are bitch. Back when I used to run 4 miles each mornig and do a lot of backpacking it was devestating sometimes. Running in general doesn't seem that healthy to me, I mean it's great cardio but it's taking as all hell on your joints.

[sgreger1]

Pretty much, a blender just whips the **** out of it with a blade and you still actually eat everything in it. A juicer more or less mashes and grinds it, but also separates the juice from a good deal of the solid material.

The best sports/health/diet drink is water. Without exception, period, it is a fact. Special medical needs obviously might have exceptions to that, but again those are special cases.

Ken

I personally only drink water as of right now. I don't drink fruit juice, soda, or anything else other than milk occasionally. I even stopped drinking beer. I have always been a big water drinker and consume a serious amount of water each day. I don't really believe it's making me healthier on it's own, but it is obviously better than pretty much anything else. Humans are just fish with a big shell casing around em, we are mainly water and need it more than even food.

But for someone who could not sit down and eat 4 servings of veggies each day, something like a juicer makes it easier to consume my greens that I otherwise wouldn't eat. It's not about fitness so much as just trying to be healthy. Drinking a shake of veggies in the morning and nothing but water all day can't be bad for you.


Snuffle: Again, what does the bee polen and dandilion do? That sounds like an alergy attack waiting to happen. What is the purpose of that?

[devilock76]

Lol, you are going to nitpick on every little detail aren't you devilock. Joggin was just an example, you do build muscle while running but obviously just a bit in your calf/thigh etc. Obviously jogging isn't going to build huge muscles, but it was a metaphor for any kind of exercise. For example if you did a full 40 minute crossfit routine, it is going to burn only a few calories, but doing that 3-4 times a week is going to lead to your body burning more calories in general than just cutting 100 calories off your meal.

And yah shin splints are bitch. Back when I used to run 4 miles each mornig and do a lot of backpacking it was devestating sometimes. Running in general doesn't seem that healthy to me, I mean it's great cardio but it's taking as all hell on your joints.

Actually no you don't, not of any level worth noting in a reasonable time. Muscles develop in response to damage, your body creates an adaptive response. Your body does this to everything, take a callus from playing guitar for example or the way martial artists who compete in breaking develop thicker bone structure at a cellular level in response to the tasks they place before their body.

So to compare, HIT, working with a weight or exercise that you can do about 8-12 repetitions max. The body's muscle's are strained for that task, in order to adapt the body has to make the muscles stronger to lift that heavier weight. However in the case of running it is not as much the load as the repetition, so the muscle needs endurance so in the end the muscle doesn't grow as more adapt to the repetition, however it happens at about the same rate as the repetitive use injuries. HIT training done properly will yield better results in less time with less chance of injury for the average person.

And sorry, this topic has as much scam artists as much of the holistic and alternative medicine arena. Recall my early rants with Tom. The thing is people are being hurt by bad advice in the name of making a buck. And the end result something that is quite simple is over complicated for the average person.

Ken

[Mr. Snuffleupagus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhBKtjDtTVk

Ken

I care about what I eat. You don't have to. It's all good. I'm not trying to say my choices are right and yours aren't. I don't want to eat pesticides, GMO, etc. Organic labelling helps me make my choice. BTW I don't live in a tee pee

[devilock76]

I personally only drink water as of right now. I don't drink fruit juice, soda, or anything else other than milk occasionally. I even stopped drinking beer. I have always been a big water drinker and consume a serious amount of water each day. I don't really believe it's making me healthier on it's own, but it is obviously better than pretty much anything else. Humans are just fish with a big shell casing around em, we are mainly water and need it more than even food.

But for someone who could not sit down and eat 4 servings of veggies each day, something like a juicer makes it easier to consume my greens that I otherwise wouldn't eat. It's not about fitness so much as just trying to be healthy. Drinking a shake of veggies in the morning and nothing but water all day can't be bad for you.


Snuffle: Again, what does the bee polen and dandilion do? That sounds like an alergy attack waiting to happen. What is the purpose of that?

I eat majority vegetables. Meat is a rarity and when I do it is typically sea food. Although my schedule forces fast food to be a sometimes choice so I have a chicken sandwhich here and there. 4 servings of veggies are easy.

Oh and there is no recommendation to my diet plan, nor animal rights thing. It is just what I feel good eating, as in I feel better with my diet choices, I may be delusional on the subject and each person is different.

Ken

[Mr. Snuffleupagus]

Snuffle: Again, what does the bee polen and dandilion do? That sounds like an alergy attack waiting to happen. What is the purpose of that?

Dandilions are just another leafy green with vitamins and minerals. Plus my bearded dragon really likes them. Local honey and pollen is supposed to actually help with seasonal allergies. I got some pollen at a farmer's market and so I put it in because I have it. Supposedly it's good for you:

http://www.benefitsofbeepollen.com/

"Pollen is considered to provide everything you need to live. It is one of the richest, most complete foods in nature and contains a wide variety of essential vitamins, minerals, enzymes, protein and amino acids. Bee Pollen is extraordinarily rich in most of the B vitamins and also contains only a few calories per serving. "

I'm not some kind of crazy health nut person. I'm just trying to eat better and I like to know where my food comes from and eat simple things.

[devilock76]

I care about what I eat. You don't have to. It's all good. I'm not trying to say my choices are right and yours aren't. I don't want to eat pesticides, GMO, etc. Organic labelling helps me make my choice. BTW I don't live in a tee pee

If you eat organic food, you are eating pesticides, that is a fact. More importantly you are consuming pesticides that are often more dangerous than the modern synthetic equivalent.

Ken

[devilock76]

Dandilions are just another leafy green with vitamins and minerals. Plus my bearded dragon really likes them. Local honey and pollen is supposed to actually help with seasonal allergies. I got some pollen at a farmer's market and so I put it in because I have it. Supposedly it's good for you:

http://www.benefitsofbeepollen.com/

"Pollen is considered to provide everything you need to live. It is one of the richest, most complete foods in nature and contains a wide variety of essential vitamins, minerals, enzymes, protein and amino acids. Bee Pollen is extraordinarily rich in most of the B vitamins and also contains only a few calories per serving. "

I'm not some kind of crazy health nut person. I'm just trying to eat better and I like to know where my food comes from and eat simple things.

I have heard that about local honey as well. Of course if you are allergic to honey it is all moot, but I think that is a rare percentage that accounts for.

Ken

[Mr. Snuffleupagus]

If you eat organic food, you are eating pesticides, that is a fact. More importantly you are consuming pesticides that are often more dangerous than the modern synthetic equivalent.

Ken

Yeah well I'm not buyin' it

Edit: I don't buy big box organic brands. Seems like a marketing scam to me. I'm lucky to live in an area where you can buy good produce at small stores.

[sgreger1]

Actually no you don't, not of any level worth noting in a reasonable time. Muscles develop in response to damage, your body creates an adaptive response. Your body does this to everything, take a callus from playing guitar for example or the way martial artists who compete in breaking develop thicker bone structure at a cellular level in response to the tasks they place before their body.

So to compare, HIT, working with a weight or exercise that you can do about 8-12 repetitions max. The body's muscle's are strained for that task, in order to adapt the body has to make the muscles stronger to lift that heavier weight. However in the case of running it is not as much the load as the repetition, so the muscle needs endurance so in the end the muscle doesn't grow as more adapt to the repetition, however it happens at about the same rate as the repetitive use injuries. HIT training done properly will yield better results in less time with less chance of injury for the average person.

And sorry, this topic has as much scam artists as much of the holistic and alternative medicine arena. Recall my early rants with Tom. The thing is people are being hurt by bad advice in the name of making a buck. And the end result something that is quite simple is over complicated for the average person.

Ken

You seem to know significantly more than I do about anything on this subject so let me ask you a question that I have asked others before but always get different answers. If I have 30 minutes to work out, and my goal is to gain muscle in my upper body while also facilitating some weight loss, what is the best thing to do? Also, is it better to do lighter weight with more reps, or to just pick a weight where you can only do 1 rep of 10 for example?

[devilock76]

Yeah well I'm not buyin' it

Pick a link, any link:

http://www.google.com/search?q=pesti...ient=firefox-a

Your beliefs and ignorance do not make for facts...

The first one though needs to be considered carefully as it contradicts itself, it starts off saying they contain less then goes to say they contain none.

Ken

[devilock76]

I like this one also...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0807082954.htm

Ken

[sgreger1]

I know honey is pretty good for you,I just hadn't heard of the dandilion thing. I'll throw some in for good measure just to see. I am goign to start making these in the mornings now. I just can't stomach too many vegies otherwise, i'm more of a meat only type.

[Mr. Snuffleupagus]

I like this one also...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0807082954.htm

Ken

"(SCI) Journal of the Science of Food and Agriculture shows there is no evidence to support the argument that organic food is better than food grown with the use of pesticides and chemicals."

I don't care if it's scientifically proven to be healthier or not. I just don't want to eat that shit. And the first link I can't read because I stopped using google LOL.