Snus vs Cigs for depression

[GoVegan]

Chad is anti camel toe?

[whalen]

We are not sure exactly "what" Chad is!

[SnuserSnuffer]

thx

Thanks guys.

I'm snusing a winterchill camel. its the only snus i can even get, actually.

I really kinda love snus. Especially with coffee.

Thing is I had 7 tins of thunder snus. that was maybe a month or two ago, and I wasn't really smoking.

Its just I keep going back to cigs for some reason. Cigs to me are about space and time. being outside, getting away from certain stressors, being in the open, breathing I guess.

If I snus outside its weird.. its like snus makes me More aware of the world around me... but smoking outside, kinda smokes the world out.. its kinda different. like i can smoke and things kinda just dull out so everything isn't so intense I guess.

I think i actually feel almost less anxiety when I snus in some ways. Like it just puts things into better focus. But then over time I start thinking about my problems and it all gets way too much and I started getting suicidal. I've been this way since I was 12, and I'm actually 31.

But when I smoke its like, that just literally never happens. Well there was one time I started getting suicidal even when I was smoking..but that was only one time. The rest of the time I can handle everything and literally never get down from smoking.

So although I really didn't want to use both, I'm kinda stuck using both right now for some reason. If I drink coffee and snus its pretty awesome... I think i'm going to get some marijuana edible and try using that with snus maybe because thats a very strong antidepressant.

I was going to go on an ssri, but Id way much rather just smoke than take a pharmaceutical, even though I've taken them in the past before I started smoking.

Point being I wished snus was the same as smoking, but I think smoke delivers more anti-depressive properties, or just someone makes the world more manageable.

Thanks

[SnuserSnuffer]

And I have a bunch of snuff just really haven't used it. Could work but, idk.

[SnuserSnuffer]

I threw away all my cigs 4 or 5 days ago and just snused the camel. It wasn't easy in the beginning, but I made it 4 or 5 days. At that point I forgot what smoking was even about. But now I realize camel has a bunch of stuff that might be giving me ocd tendencies, artificial sugars and such, and the drive to get swedish snus = too far. so basically, i'm back to organic smokes. we'll see its just the first day going back. but overall, I might try to somehow get past so much nicotine in general. its nice though to just smoke, and then be done with it instead of always having something in my mouth.

lol, anyways, i'll update later. life goes on. it was nice when i was working to snus a 8 mg camel, and it ran for 3 hours. then pop in another one. how could you survive workplaces by smoking, you just can't really its tough. especially in the non-smoking world we live in.

oh, and during those 4-5 days i wasn't really suicidal or depressed...maybe a thought once a day, but overall not bad. yesterday i had to use a few of the big 12 mg snuses from camel, made things better. but overall i guess snus could work for me if i absolutely had to use tobacco all the time and couldn't or didn't want to smoke. while i was snusing a guy at work was smoking a marlboro red, which smelled amazing. course i never touch those cigs anyways. but thats all i guess...

so i guess snus does work for anxiety/depression... pretty well... of course i didn't test it longer than 4 or 5 days. so maybe if a few weeks went by things would be worse? i have no idea. thats usually when things get real bad, after 2-3 weeks after quitting smoking i fall into this depression. but now i don't eat gluten at all, no grains, so that may be helpful.

[willc]

If you can't get the Swedish snus you may want to try picking up a corn cob pipe and a decent over the counter tobacco like Carter Hall or Half& Half.
Snus got me off the cigs a few months ago and I realized that I still really enjoyed smoking so I tried out pipe smoking and it is very calming and relaxing.
Also you mentioned that you have snuff, does that help you at all?
Good luck with it all and it is good to know that you aware that diet too has a major effect on our minds as well as body.

[SnuserSnuffer]

I don't think I'd ever pipe smoke. I suppose I could puff on cigarettes. I don't ever use snuff, I bought a few things and really never got into it.

This morning I was like, okay, I'll just snus. Gave away 4 bucks worth of my remaining American Spirit and a lighter. Then proceeded to snus. Then an hour later said, you know what, I'm just going to smoke. Thought about throwing away all my snus, spent 10 bucks, got a pack of AS's and a lighter. Figured, okay, I'll just keep my snus.

Now I'm snusing.

lol.. kinda hate doing both. oh well. Maybe I'll just snus its much cheaper.

Its just this morning felt suicidal. Thought, if I was smoking, this would never be this way. Which is true, yet I still snus. Because I guess it wasn't too bad those 5 days I was snusing, plus snus is very enjoyable, which I never thought it would be. Cuz you can just pop one in, and in many ways its more natural, since in the wild where are you going to find a paper to roll up tobacco and a lighter? When you can just rip off a tobacco leaf and roll it up into a snus sized ball.

As far as getting Swedish Snus, I did find a store thats basically a 30 minute drive roundtrip. But the General cans have 24 pouches. A couple of those, which is only 10 bucks, would easily last me 1-1.5 weeks I think.

[Bigblue1]

I don't know what to say man. You definitely seem pre-occupied with it. I'VE NEVER BEEN SUICIDAL AND USED CIGS OR SNUS NOT TO BE, I think you just need to chill and maybe smoke something else. I guess what I'm saying is just calm down. If your suicidal you shouldn't be relying on either to help you out. You should seek professional help immediately. I don't say this lightly either. I am not a big proponent of western medicine especially the quackery that is psychiatry. But based on these few posts if I were you I'd definitely be trying to find better help than random posting on a snus forum..... Seriously

[Roo]

I agree with Blue. If you feel like offing yourself, cigs aren't the answer. Talk to a professional or at the very least a close friend. Best of luck.

[Frosted]

I might have missed it as I've just skimmed the posts here, but have you not tried anti-depressants yet? They're hit and miss as apparently it takes a few tries before you find the right one, but you can't keep on having suicidal thoughts.
My boys godparent who served a long time with me in the Army suffers terribly from depression but manages it very well with anti depressants. It took him about a year to find the right tablets for him.
I would steer well clear of trying to self medicate and from dietary hunches as you'll just end up chasing your tail and getting more depressed and fed up when you find that it's actually not working.

[SnuserSnuffer]

I have taken an SSRI before, which definitely helped. Then off the ssri's years later, i tried smoking for fun. And then I realized all the depressive thoughts never were there ever. So to me its just my anti-depressant. Cannabis is a great one too, although I haven't used that in awhile.

Life just isn't exciting. So when I smoke its fun. neways.

i'm actually snusing right now exclusively, and then my rule is i either am snusing or smoking. not both.

[lxskllr]

Well, you gotta die of something. If you enjoy smoking, and it fixes your issues, why not? Life is unhealthy, and leads to death, so you might as well enjoy your time here. Snus will give you a longer healthier life, but you should use what works best for you.

[SnuserSnuffer]

True

[marin]

When I quit smoking and started snusing I developed pretty severe anxiety. I have no idea what it was about, but I think the slow absorption rate in snus combined with using too much put my anxiety benchmark over the edge.

[Mr. Snuffleupagus]

When I quit smoking and started snusing I developed pretty severe anxiety. I have no idea what it was about, but I think the slow absorption rate in snus combined with using too much put my anxiety benchmark over the edge.

That happened to me as well. I think the anxiety was always there and the smoking was helping keeping it more at bay. What are you doing now? Still snusing?