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  • darkwing
    Member
    • Oct 2007
    • 415

    Antis upset about new products

    From snusnews:

    In Process: STOP - the Proliferation of Flavored Tobacco Products..

    October 16, 2008 - We must stop the proliferation of flavored tobacco products. R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Co. (RJR) early in 2009 will introduce three dissolvable smokeless products -- a pellet (Camel Orbs), a twisted stick the size of a toothpick (Camel Sticks) and a film strip for the tongue (Camel Strips). Reynolds should know by now that these flavored products will increase the incidence of tobacco use among children.

    In October 2006, R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company and the Attorneys General of thirty-eight states entered into a settlement agreement that prohibited the sale and distribution of flavored (candy, fruit, and alcohol) tobacco products manufactured and sold by the company. Prohibits the sale and distribution of flavored tobacco products.

    In the past nine years, socially responsible Reynolds has expanded its flagship brand Camel through such introductions as Camel Exotic Blends, Camel No. 9 and Camel Signature. Lately Reynolds has been promoting Camel Snus, a smokeless product that is being promoted as the industry's best bet in a post-smoking environment.


    Professor John Britton, chairman of the Royal College of Physicians Tobacco Advisory Group, a proponent of using smokeless tobacco as a harm reduction solution has reasoned that tobacco companies job to sell as much tobacco as possible, so they will be targeting non-smokers rather than current ones, that's the worry.

    John Sweeney, the director of the sports-communication program at University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, said "If the ads surround Camel Sticks with bursts of color and youth-oriented language, there will be a social uprising. On the other hand, if the advertising is adult in orientation and quietly informative, the product may be left to find its way." Michelle Roehm, an associate marketing professor at Wake Forest University, said that she likes the packaging design. "It appears to mimic the shapes and sizes of PDA devices that we're all accustomed to carrying around these days." Matthew Myers, the president of the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids said, "These products are flavored and packaged like candy, and very likely will appeal to children."

    What do you think it will be?? Let's look back how RJR promoted Camel SNUS. The tag line is “Pleasure for Wherever Whenever.” Mitch Zeller, a health policy consultant who was director of the Office of Tobacco Programs at the FDA during the Clinton Administration, said the web site for Camel Snus "seems aimed at young adult males to get them to start using products." The site says Reynolds found Snus in Sweden, "home of the world's best meatballs, massage and blondes." Back in June 2006 RJR started the test marketing of Camel SNUS in Portland, OR and Austin TX. Kylie Meiner, the tobacco prevention coordinator for Multnomah County where Portland is located is convinced that the marketing of Camel SNUS is aimed at young people. One direct mail item she received read “Camel Snus – be the 1st on your block to try it” (Portland Tribune, 11/20/2006). Cathryn Cushing, a specialist with the Oregon's Tobacco Prevention and Education Program, "I see it as a young adult marketing strategy, and we have a lot of hip young adults in this city," Cushing said. And "if it appeals to a 22-year-old, I think you can assume it will appeal to a 16-year-old. Because what do 16-year-olds want to be? Twenty-two" (The Oregonian, 1/7/2007).

    Comment from Metroblogging User - Portland, OR: There are only two drawbacks. First, it doesn't take a genius to see what a boon snus would be to underage users. Heck, you could sit in class with some in your mouth, and no one would be the wiser. At least when I was in high school, you had the telltale clumps of 'chaw' in the water fountains to betray the tobacco user, or at least the worn white rings in the back pocket of your jeans. You could probably hide this stuff from teachers and parents pretty easily. Second, although smokeless tobacco saves you from some of the risk of heart disease and lung cancer, plenty of smokeless tobacco users out there have developed cancer of the mouth or throat, and have had large chunks of their jaws and tongues removed as a result. But that's a hard image to sell to sixteen-year-olds, who are pretty sure that they're immortal ("You Snus, You Lose" posted by PAgent at 1:50pm on January 8, 2007).

    RJR has had a number of Camel snus ads in community entertainment newspapers - take a look, you decide whose the target audience. There's been lots of coupon offers - giving away free cans of Camel SNUS. Some addition related news briefs: Experience of a High School Student Using Camel SNUS - from the Kansas City Star, 10/31/2007..; Are adults snoozing while kids are "snusing?".. and Ohio youth are using cigars and smokeless tobacco products and it is a continuously growing problem...

    With the new dissolvable products that RJR wants to market you can count on the same happening again but on a much broader scale. Let's not forget what , UST's former salesman Bob Beets, said, "Cherry Skoal (moist snuff) for somebody who likes the taste of candy, if you know what I mean."

    Let's NOT let this happen. Calling on the U.S. Attorneys General to enforce the agreement with R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Company of October 2006.

    Let's make sure our future leaders, our children, have every opportunity to succeed.
  • lxskllr
    Member
    • Sep 2007
    • 13435

    #2
    Sigh...

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    • TripEMT
      Member
      • Oct 2008
      • 100

      #3
      I have tried... I honestly have... to not hate people... but it seems that they keep giving me reasons to do so... It's coming to the point that i'm almost ashamed to be an american. I love my country, for the most part, it's just a lot of the people disgust me. When Columbine happend, it was heavy-metal and violent movies' fault, not the kids themselves... Now if young kids smoke, or consume smokeless tobacco... it's "not their fault"... its tobacco's fault... the ads are too pretty... or are worded too enticingly...

      I'm starting a group... the have MADD (mothers against drunk driving) and TRUTH and all that...

      I'm Starting WYOKALMS.... Watch Your Own Kids And Let Me Snus

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      • cocsp2002
        Member
        • Jul 2008
        • 509

        #4
        Some of those comments in the article are accurate. RJR is targeting Camel Snus toward young adults, mainly. It's the hip new thing here in the States. Older kids (15-17 year olds) are going to be interested in this product, it's just natural. They're trying to distinguish themselves from the pack, they want to be hip as well, and there isn't that much difference between, say, a 16 year old and an 18 year old developmentally. You can't really target "young smokers" and not interest some underage readers of the magazines they advertise in (for example, Maxim, Rolling Stone, etc.). This is why retailers are required to ask for ID when selling tobacco.

        Kids who want to smoke will get cigarettes. Kids who want to dip will get Cope, or Skoal, or what have you. People without scruples will buy age sensitive products for underage kids, usually with the mindset that "they're going to get it anyway; at least if I buy it for them, I can supervise their intake somewhat." Honestly, how many of us had a friend when we were in high school whose parents would buy beer for you if you "gave them the keys and kept it in the basement"?

        Limiting the sale of these products only guarantees one thing; and that is that the selection of products these kids can obtain will be smaller, but they will still find the products that they're interested in regardless of what they are. I remember seeing a news story some months ago about Florida parents who were outraged that their kids wouldn't graduate because their kids didn't have the requisite reading and mathematical skills for graduation. At that point, it isn't the school's job to tell the parents that their kids can't read. It's time for the parents to take an interest in their kids' lives and augment the job the schools do. The same goes for underage drinking, smoking, and smokeless tobacco use. If you don't take measures to keep these products out of your kids' hands, you can't blame advertising, the company's motives, or their marketing techniques.

        We can't expect the government to raise our kids for us. We need to take positive measures to ensure our kids are instilled with the proper values ourselves. They are our kids after all, aren't they?

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        • mercvrivs
          Member
          • Sep 2008
          • 484

          #5
          I find it amusing that people presume that minors have completely different tastes than adults, and furthermore that taste would serve as a primary attraction superseding even the obvious: nicotine.

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          • RobsanX
            Member
            • Aug 2008
            • 2030

            #6
            Originally posted by mercvrivs
            I find it amusing that people presume that minors have completely different tastes than adults, and furthermore that taste would serve as a primary attraction superseding even the obvious: nicotine.
            I think the biggest attraction is the fact that it is illegal for minors but not for adults... There is a coolness factor of breaking the rules that goes right along with adolescence...

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            • snusjus
              Member
              • Jun 2008
              • 2674

              #7
              It's like saying that nicotine gum is aimed toward little kids....

              Teenagers are interested in the rebellious factor of cigarettes; breath strips aren't going to capture that image.

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              • Grim
                Member
                • Jun 2008
                • 850

                #8
                Even if they didnt advertise tobacco teens would try it out anyways.


                Hell, half the drugs ive done in my life were because of the D.A.R.E. program.

                Anytime kids find out something is bad for them they get interested in why and curiousity gets the best of them.

                Even when i tried tobacco i knew it was bad and didnt care.

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