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  • darkwing
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    • Oct 2007
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    Smokeless tobacco a target

    Smokeless tobacco becomes a target

    Journal Graphic by Nicholas Weir

    By Richard Craver | Journal Reporter

    Published: November 10, 2008

    In bars and restaurants, theaters and stadiums, malls and offices, tobacco manufacturers are trying to reassert their presence in the market with innovative smokeless products such as snus and dissolvable products.

    "We're meeting the adult tobacco consumer where they are in society today," said Maura Payne, a spokeswoman for R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Co.

    But health-advocacy groups, having won the day with bans on smoking in most public venues after a 16-year fight, are gearing up their efforts and rhetoric to try to prevent those products from taking root.

    "These smokeless products are likely to discourage smokers from quitting by sustaining their nicotine addiction in the growing number of places where smoking is not allowed," said Matthew Myers, the executive director of the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids.

    The evolution of the health-advocacy groups from anti-smoking to anti-tobacco is ratcheting up the moralistic aspect of buying and consuming a legal product.

    It also is pitting more health-care and anti-smoking officials on both sides of the smokeless debate since it's unclear whether smokeless tobacco equals reduced risk, particularly involving cancer.

    There have been mixed findings from the few studies that have been conducted on snus.

    What is clear is that the major U.S. tobacco manufacturers are putting more emphasis on smokeless products, such as snuff and snus, to gain market share and sales as the smoking rate among adults declines.

    Government figures show that fewer than 44 million Americans smoke, down from a peak of 53.5 million in 1983.

    On the front lines of the migration to smokeless products: Innovations from Reynolds, such as Camel Snus, a spitless product, and dissolvable Camel products that feature a pellet, a twisted stick and a film strip for the tongue.

    Reynolds is taking Camel Snus nationwide by late January, and the other products will enter test markets in 2009.

    "Consumer research has found that adult tobacco consumers have wanted another option for using tobacco where it wasn't comfortable or they weren't permitted to smoke," Payne said.

    Snus products make up less than 1 percent of all smokeless tobacco sales, said Bill Godshall, the executive director of SmokeFree Pennsylvania. Godshall supports smokeless products as a tool for reducing smoking, but acknowledges they are not a risk-free alternative.

    Payne said that Reynolds does not promote the new smokeless products as a means to cessation.

    "These new products pose serious threats to the nation's health," Myers said. "They are likely to appeal to children because they are flavored and packaged like candy, are easy to conceal even in a classroom and carry the Camel brand that is already so popular with underage smokers."

    There is potential for a long battle over smokeless tobacco's place in the market and society, said Stephen Pope, the chief global-market strategist with Cantor Fitzgerald Europe.

    "Snus is fighting for a very specific sector, and it takes time for people to accept the concept," Pope said. "I do see the customer base being hard to please. There is an interaction, an activity with a cigarette that one just does not attain with a small pouch of tobacco."


    Smokeless has long history

    Smokeless tobacco has been around since there's been tobacco.

    For many people, smokeless tobacco carries images of rural America, of bulging jaws or a pinch between the cheek and gum, and spit cups. Of the top 10 states for moist snuff use in the third quarter of 2007, Pennsylvania (No. 2), Ohio (No. 3) and California (No. 10) were the only non-Southern states. Texas was first, and North Carolina was seventh.

    But in recent years, smokeless products have become more much subtle by use and by design -- to the better for tobacco users to consume without breaking the law or facing scornful looks.

    "Will all adult tobacco smokers switch to these smokeless products? We don't know," said David Howard, a spokesman for Reynolds. "We believe they should be educated to their tobacco options."

    But Susan Ivey, the chairwoman and chief executive of Reynolds American Inc., said that the company has to be at the forefront of innovative smokeless products as a "total tobacco company."

    "As leaders in tobacco-industry innovation, our companies are particularly well-suited to identify and create new opportunities for long-term growth," Ivey said.

    According to some anti-smoking officials, it's vital that their message goes beyond smoking.

    "Just like there is no safe cigarette, there is no safe tobacco product," said Melva Fager Okun, the senior manager for N.C. Prevention Partners. Okun said that limited resources have compelled the groups to put more of their focus on secondhand smoke until recently.

    "From a public-health viewpoint, I encourage all N.C. employers to support and reward all employees that quit the use of any tobacco products," Okun said.

    "Spit tobacco and other smokeless products are harmful to your health and can cause cancer in the mouth and jaw and other illnesses. These diseases are painful, disfiguring and very expensive to treat."

    Godshall said that the anti-tobacco groups "are trying to deny people the opportunity to use a legal product, a product with less risk than cigarettes, a product in which there is no one else can be harmed by its use. They want tobacco-free laws rather than no-smoking laws."


    Regulation of industry

    The simmering debate comes while there is growing expectation that the Food and Drug Administration will eventually regulate the tobacco industry as early as next year. President-elect Barack Obama is a co-sponsor of the U.S. Senate's legislation.

    The regulation was crafted in large part through an alliance between Philip Morris USA and the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids.

    Philip Morris is testing Marlboro Snus, but remains well behind Reynolds in terms of next-generation smokeless products. Analysts have said that tobacco manufacturers are moving quickly to introduce new smokeless products out of expectation that FDA regulation would make that more challenging, if not prohibitive.

    "While it is likely that a bill may be taken up again in the new Congress, we have no way to predict timing of that," Payne said. "So we have pursued product development and testing on these tobacco products independent of that issue."

    U.S. Sen. Richard Burr, R-N.C., is among the tobacco industry's biggest political backers. He supports the inclusion of smokeless products as a less-hazardous alternative to cigarettes in any FDA regulation.

    "I don't know what the process will look like in 2009," Burr said. "Some are hoping to jam the tobacco industry with the regulation rather than show interest in less-hazardous products than cigarettes."

    Brad Rodu, the chairman of the Tobacco Harm Reduction Research University at the University of Louisville, has been advocating implementation of tobacco harm-reduction products for 15 years. His research is supported by unrestricted grants from smokeless tobacco manufacturers UST and Swedish Match to the University of Louisville, and by the Kentucky Research Challenge Trust Fund.

    "All smokeless products in the United States, including the new line from Reynolds, confer only about 1 percent to 2 percent of the health risks of smoking," Rodu said.

    "The development and marketing of vastly safer smokeless-tobacco products that appeal to adult cigarette smokers has the potential to transform tobacco use from a highly risky behavior to one that is as safe as consuming coffee."

    Dr. John Spangler, the director of the Tobacco Intervention program at Wake Forest University School of Medicine, sharply disagrees. His studies show that "smokeless tobacco acts as a gateway to smoking."

    "With safe and effective smoking-cessation products on the market -- except Chantix, which has shown increased adverse events -- there is absolutely no reason to propose snus or smokeless tobacco as a means of smoking cessation," Spangler said.

    "In fact, the data actually suggest that smokeless tobacco -- at best -- partially substitutes for cigarettes and does not help with cessation, but does induce initiation."

    Dr. Michael Thun, the vice president of epidemiology and surveillance research, said that the debate about smokeless tobacco products "has been complicated by the fact that some credible independent scientists have accepted the idea that because smokeless products are less lethal than smoking, they must therefore be useful in reducing the disease burden from smoking."

    "This idea is simplistic," Thun said. "We are at risk of repeating the mistakes that contributed to the fiasco of ‘light' and ‘low yield' cigarettes."

    Pat Shehan, the owner of Tarheel Tobacco in Winston-Salem, said he believes that there is potential for smokeless if Reynolds and other manufacturers can get the word out to tobacco consumers.

    "The anti-smoking groups have won the battle on secondhand smoke, and that is a good thing for society," Shehan said. "But I don't think it's any of their business if people use smokeless-tobacco products, particularly if it helps to reduce the amount of secondhand smoke.

    "This is one issue where I believe those groups need to butt out and let people use a legal product if they want to."

    ■ Richard Craver can be reached at 727-7376 or at rcraver@wsjournal.com.



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    Switching impact

    Data from the American Cancer Society show that switching from smoking can be safer for tobacco users. The figures represent the higher risk compared with a nontobacco user:

    Disease - Smokers - Switched to smokeless - Quit tobacco

    Lung cancer - 21.3 times risk - 5.6 times - 3.8 times

    Chronic obstruction - 10.8 times - 3.2 times - 2.5 times

    pulmonary disease -

    Chronic heart disease - 1.8 times - 1.3 times - 1.1 times

    Stroke - 1.7 times - 1.3 times - 1.1 times

    Source: The American Cancer Society, R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Co.
  • RobsanX
    Member
    • Aug 2008
    • 2030

    #2
    What is up with these modern day Carrie Nations coming after my snus?! They're always on about protecting children, when it's really about lining their pockets...

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    • toekuttr
      Member
      • Jul 2008
      • 197

      #3
      Damn, shit like that always makes me wanna cigarette! It's totally about money, when their anti-smoking windfalls dry up they'll surely need a new cash cow.

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      • holnrew
        Member
        • Jul 2008
        • 613

        #4
        Thing is I can understand wanting to ban smoking as it CAN be harmful to others, but what's wrong with adults making a choice to use other tobacco products?

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        • spirit72
          Member
          • Apr 2008
          • 1013

          #5
          Re: Smokeless tobacco a target

          Originally posted by darkwing
          "These smokeless products are likely to discourage smokers from quitting by sustaining their nicotine addiction in the growing number of places where smoking is not allowed," said Matthew Myers, the executive director of the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids.
          See how they (un)wittingly allow their nefarious plan to show through? Just not smoking in places where it is banned is not enough.

          Originally posted by darkwing
          "Spit tobacco and other smokeless products are harmful to your health and can cause cancer in the mouth and jaw and other illnesses. These diseases are painful, disfiguring and very expensive to treat."
          Dontcha love how they call it "Spit Tobacco" instead of what it is(snuff, chewing tobacco)

          Originally posted by darkwing
          Godshall said that the anti-tobacco groups "are trying to deny people the opportunity to use a legal product, a product with less risk than cigarettes, a product in which there is no one else can be harmed by its use. They want tobacco-free laws rather than no-smoking laws."
          FINALLY someone said it. 8)

          Originally posted by darkwing
          The simmering debate comes while there is growing expectation that the Food and Drug Administration will eventually regulate the tobacco industry as early as next year. President-elect Barack Obama is a co-sponsor of the U.S. Senate's legislation.
          Sounds a bit hypocritical for an alleged former smoker, doesn't it Mr. President? :twisted:


          Originally posted by darkwing
          "The development and marketing of vastly safer smokeless-tobacco products that appeal to adult cigarette smokers has the potential to transform tobacco use from a highly risky behavior to one that is as safe as consuming coffee."
          He'd better run, the Tobacco Nazis will have him drawn and quartered for that one.

          Originally posted by darkwing
          "In fact, the data actually suggest that smokeless tobacco -- at best -- partially substitutes for cigarettes and does not help with cessation, but does induce initiation."
          Dunno, Doc. Most former smokers here at SnusOn would beg to differ, myself included.

          Originally posted by darkwing
          Dr. Michael Thun, the vice president of epidemiology and surveillance research, said that the debate about smokeless tobacco products "has been complicated by the fact that some credible independent scientists have accepted the idea that because smokeless products are less lethal than smoking, they must therefore be useful in reducing the disease burden from smoking."
          Well, uhhhhh.......Duh? If the risk of tobacco related disease is lessened by switching from smoked tobacco to smokeless tobacco, then, uhhhh, I guess smokeless tobacco must be useful in reducing the disease burden, musn't it, Dr. Dipshit??

          Sheesh. If fried chicken is really bad for me, but dammit, I really like chicken, so I start baking it instead of frying it, then it's probably useful in reducing my risk of high cholesterol and heart disease.

          What a ****wit. I hope they don't have him chasing flu epidemics or anything.


          Originally posted by darkwing
          "This idea is simplistic," Thun said. "We are at risk of repeating the mistakes that contributed to the fiasco of ‘light' and ‘low yield' cigarettes."
          Uhhhh, Dr. Scratchandsniff? Wasn't the whole problem with lights and ultralights that they lowered the tar, which contains the nicotine, so people smoking them weren't getting the same dose, and started smoking more?

          So, how is it a risk of making the same mistake if the levels of TSNA are reduced drastically, yet the level of nicotine remains the same, or indeed increases due to the more efficient delivery method?

          Jeez. Maybe I should've gone to med school.

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          • mbyrd624
            Member
            • Oct 2008
            • 17

            #6
            I'm frustrated that someone with credentials as impressive as Dr. Thun's would be so obtuse as to dismiss, without specific clinical data, the possible benefits that a large-scale migration to smokeless products could provide. I guess when your livelihood depends on a massive cancer problem, anything that might actually put a dent in that is anathema. I am even more frustrated that the problem keeps changing. First it was smoking tobacco, then secondhand smoke, now it's not the smoke, it's the nicotine. And aside from a few studies on the mutagenic effects of nicotine on DNA, there isn't anything out there (that I am aware of) that points to nicotine as a specific cancer risk.

            It's always seemed to be more of an angry mob, who is always looking for the Next Big Thing to vilify. In the absence of a true enemy, the mob will turn on itself, eventually, so there is some hope for the future, at least.

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            • ---Nicotinic Acid---
              Member
              • Jul 2008
              • 134

              #7
              Re: Smokeless tobacco a target

              Originally posted by darkwing




              "With safe and effective smoking-cessation products on the market -- except Chantix, which has shown increased adverse events -- there is absolutely no reason to propose snus or smokeless tobacco as a means of smoking cessation," Spangler said.
              Safe and EFFECTIVE smoking cessation products? Do YOU guys know what he's referring to, cuz I don't


              I wish these antis would understand that people don't use tobacco cuz they're bad people.

              A lot of us are naturally edgy or have a harder time relaxing than non-users, and it helps us get through the day.

              As far as "addiction" is concerned, I don't know about you guys but I'm as sick as a heroin addict if I skip my morning coffee.






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              • Pus
                Member
                • Nov 2008
                • 61

                #8
                A lot of us are naturally edgy or have a harder time relaxing than non-users, and it helps us get through the day.

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                • truthwolf1
                  Member
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 2696

                  #9
                  Now they are talking about getting rid of "Happy Hours" in England. Next stop U.S.S.A

                  I am really sick of all these "False Patriot Do-Gooders" who want to take away everything from humanity except for prisons and Walmart jobs.

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                  • itchystiches
                    Member
                    • Oct 2007
                    • 194

                    #10
                    HAHAHA spirit... your commentary really added a humorous dimension to an otherwise serious article.

                    And you know, what can you say? The dawn of socialism is upon us guys, and with it... you can wave goodbye to your liberties because they're just 'not good for you' right?

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                    • spirit72
                      Member
                      • Apr 2008
                      • 1013

                      #11
                      Originally posted by itchystiches
                      And you know, what can you say? The dawn of socialism is upon us guys, and with it... you can wave goodbye to your liberties because they're just 'not good for you' right?
                      I see these people as modern day Prohibitionists, nothing more and nothing less. No difference between these jackholes and the people who pushed for(and got)alcohol prohibition in America during the 1920's. This will have the same effect, and meet the same end.

                      In my opinion, people like these need to be ridiculed and treated with utter contempt.

                      History truly repeats itself, and some folks never learn.

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                      • Hoovie
                        Member
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 109

                        #12
                        Originally posted by spirit72
                        I see these people as modern day Prohibitionists, nothing more and nothing less. No difference between these jackholes and the people who pushed for(and got)alcohol prohibition in America during the 1920's. This will have the same effect, and meet the same end.

                        In my opinion, people like these need to be ridiculed and treated with utter contempt.

                        History truly repeats itself, and some folks never learn.
                        I couldn't agree more. I often equate anti-smoking nuts to prohibitionists.

                        It's always amused me when at a bar, some drunk complains about smoke and how it's "killing him/her", then gets in thier car and drives home.

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