Interesting article in Slate

[sagedil]

http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/hum...at-escape.aspx

[Starcadia]

A good article. It does a good job staying neutral and honest. I'm glad the word is getting out about the harm reduction of snus. And I really don't see government having much of a leg to stand on when it comes to attacking or banning snus if they don't do the same for caffeine and alcohol.

[PassedPawn]

Good article but this is distressing:



Camel and Marlboro Snus has less Nitrosamines than General? :shock:

I thought the Swedish snus had the lowest.

[texasmade]

from that chart they have about half as much but if you look at the fact that they are about the same size as a mini and general is full portion or los...double size...doubles TSNAs...im guessing though (most likely wrong)..but it makes sense to my mind right now

[lxskllr]

I think texasmade is on the right track. You also have to keep in mind that all the numbers are pretty low, even for the American dip. Think of it this way... If you had 1,000,000 BBs in a box, only 8 would be bad based on the worst tobacco listed on the chart.

[PassedPawn]

I could be way off on this since I'm no scientist but when a study like this is done, don't they use or base the numbers on an equal amount of each material tested, e.g. 1mg? Doesn't make sense to me for them to take a little of this and a lot of that and then base their numbers on it. There would be no consistent reference point. Then again, I don't know, I'm no scientist. :?

[NoTrashCougars]

The chart says the figures are in parts per million.

From Wikipedia:
"Parts-per notation is often used in the measure of dilutions (concentrations) in chemistry; for instance, for measuring the relative abundance of dissolved minerals or pollutants in water. The expression “1 ppm” means a given property exists at a relative proportion of one part per million parts examined, as would occur if a water-borne pollutant was present at a concentration of one-millionth of a gram per gram of sample solution."

So what the chart is saying is that General has 3.1 millionths of a milligram of nitrosamines per milligram of snus. The size of the portions is irrelevant because the number is a ratio.

I really don't know how much of an increase in nitrosamines would be necessary to make a difference as far as health is concerned, but it seems to me that the differences here are negligible.

[MN_Snuser]

The GothiaTek limits for TSNA are 5ppm

http://www.swedishmatch.com/en/Snus-...Tek-standards/

But really all of these are low, even the American moist snuff.

[Sal1000us]

Following link contains safe/unsafe numbers for Nitrosamines in drinking water:

http://www.cdph.ca.gov/CERTLIC/DRINK...ages/NDMA.aspx

[chainsnuser]

Following link contains safe/unsafe numbers for Nitrosamines in drinking water:

http://www.cdph.ca.gov/CERTLIC/DRINK...ages/NDMA.aspx

What are you trying to say?

1ng/g = 0.001 ppm, 1ng/L = 0.000001 ppm. The response-levels (= possibly dangerous levels) for drinking water are between 100 and 500 ng/L = between 0.000100 and 0.000500 ppm, thats 10000 times less than what's found in snus.

Given that everybody drinks around 2 litres of water per day it's still only 1ppm per day and at least 10 times less nitroamines compared to what even a very "light" snus-user consumes regularly, when the water-source is recommended to be removed from service.

We must not fool ourselves. The nitrosamines in tobacco are with absolute certainty negligible (health-wise) compared to the combustion-products when smoking, we also could argue that the whole nitrosamine-topic is far exaggerated, but there's no doubt that tobacco contains 1000 times more nitrosamines than even the most "contaminated" other food-product.

Cheers!

[Sal1000us]

What are you trying to say?

Safe/unsafe numbers for Nitrosamines in drinking water.

[Messiah]

Sooooo. Skoal has less than 3 times as much, and it definitely leads to oral cancer. Just something to think about.

[lxskllr]

Sooooo. Skoal has less than 3 times as much, and it definitely leads to oral cancer. Just something to think about.

I don't know about it definitely leading to oral cancer. Higher risk than if you don't use it for sure, but I don't know how significant that risk is.

[Sal1000us]

I believe the followings tests have been performed by SM.

1- According to many posts on this forum, the actual amount of nicotine from 8-10 mg of snus that gets absorbed by the body is about 1-2 mg (I believe this was tested by SM). Let’s get the 1 to 8 ratio, => 1/8 => 0.125 which is the ratio of absorption of nicotine.

2- SM also tested the actual amount of Nitrosamines in snus and found the amount (depending on the product) to be around 0.7ppm. Note that this amount was measured in the snus and not the blood stream.

What hasn’t been tested is the amount of Nitrosamines that would actually get absorbed by the body, say, from the 0.7ppm that is present in snus. Using a rough common sense logic and by taking 0.7ppm and the same 1/8 absorption ratio above => 0.7/8 => 0.0875ppm. So if true (which I have no idea), the amount of Nitrosamines that is actually absorbed by the body is far less than the 0.7ppm. It also makes sense to say if someone eats the snus, then most of the 0.7ppm is absorbed.

[Messiah]

Sooooo. Skoal has less than 3 times as much, and it definitely leads to oral cancer. Just something to think about.

I don't know about it definitely leading to oral cancer. Higher risk than if you don't use it for sure, but I don't know how significant that risk is.

I dont know anyone that had oral cancer that didnt use chew, and I know quite a few that have had it. My girlfriend comes from the mountains in the middle of nowhere PA, where it is quite popular.